Family group: Mitt Romney chose 'gay' marriage (Leadership?)

World Net Daily ^ | 1/02/2007 | Bob Unruh

[Reaganesque]

This from the Romney campaign regarding Mr. Camenker and friends:

Research Briefing: Meet The Real Brian Camenker

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Friday, Jan 12, 2007

Today, The Associated Press Profiled Brian Camenker And His Attacks On Governor Romney:

Brian Camenker Is A "Conservative Gadfly" Who Has Focused On Attacking Governor Romney And His Strong Record On Conservative Issues. "Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's political record is relatively brief – four years as Massachusetts governor and a failed campaign for the U.S. Senate. That's enough, however, for Brian Camenker, a conservative gadfly and longtime thorn in Romney's side, to write a 28-page report that portrays Romney as sympathetic to gay rights and sexual behavior that clashes with his burnished image as a defender of traditional values." (Steve LeBlanc, "Romney's Record On Gay Rights, Social Issues In Cross-Hairs," The Associated Press, 1/12/07)

     -Brian Camenker Is The President Of MassResistance. (Ryan Lizza, "Urine Trouble," The New Republic, 12/25/06)

Camenker Is Not A Credible Voice And Pushes An Extreme Ideology :

The Boston Globe Noted That Camenker Is "Often Lampooned By The Local And National Media." (Matt Viser, "Interviews No Laughing Matter For Local Notables," The Boston Globe, 11/10/05)

During An Interview On Comedy Central's "The Daily Show," Camenker Was Mocked For His Extreme Ideological Views. (Matt Viser, "Interviews No Laughing Matter For Local Notables," The Boston Globe, 11/10/05)

     - Click Here To View The YouTube Of Brian Camenker On Comedy Central's "The Daily Show":

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtgRNUxje00

Camenker Admits He Used To Be "A Social Liberal." "For much of my life I thought of myself as a social liberal. I voted for John Anderson for president and Michael Dukakis for governor." (Brian Camenker, "How A Good Jewish Boy Joined The 'Religious Right'," The Jewish Advocate, 12/25/96)

Camenker Has A Record Of Attacking Prominent Republicans:

In 2001, Camenker Attempted To Derail President Bush's Nomination Of Massachusetts Governor Paul Cellucci To Be Ambassador To Canada. "Brian Camenker, president of the Waltham-based Parents' Rights Coalition, privately met in Washington Thursday with about a dozen Republican staff members on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which would evaluate [Gov. Paul] Cellucci's nomination. Camenker said they were 'shocked' to hear about homosexual teachings in Massachusetts but nervous about how President Bush would receive criticism about Cellucci, who is not only his choice for ambassador but a longtime family friend." (Tina Cassidy, "Cellucci Foe Takes Case To US Senate," The Boston Globe, 3/3/01)

      - The Boston Herald Praised The Cellucci Nomination And Called On Camenker To Stop His Attacks. "And surely between now and Cellucci's confirmation hearings someone will tell the increasingly shrill Brian Camenker of the Parents Rights Coalition to simply go to his room. ? But you can't reason with zealots and Camenker is a zealot. Cellucci is a good choice for the post." (Editorial, "Bush Chooses Well For Ottawa Embassy," Boston Herald, 2/14/01)

THE FACTS On Governor Romney's Record On Social Conservative Issues:

FACT: Governor Romney Has Said He Has Been Wrong On Some Issues In The Past And Is Not Embarrassed To Admit It.

     - Click Here To View Mitt TV Video Of Governor Romney Talking About His 1994 Debate With Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA)

          http://mittromney.permissiontv.com/?showid=36427

FACT: Governor Romney Has Been A Champion Of Traditional Marriage And The Sanctity Of Life.

FACT: Governor Romney Is Opposed To Abortion, Except In The Cases Of Rape, Incest, And The Life Of The Mother. Like President Ronald Reagan, Henry Hyde and others before him, he has acknowledged that in the past he had this issue wrong.

FACT: As Governor Of Massachusetts, When Governor Romney Has Been Presented With Legislation On Life Issues, He Has Sided With Life.

     - FACT : Governor Romney vetoed legislation that would have provided for the "Morning After Pill" without a prescription; fought the battle to promote abstinence education in the classroom; vetoed legislation that would have redefined in Massachusetts the longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation; supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement; opposed efforts to advance embryo destructive research in Massachusetts; and has not supported public funding for embryo destructive research.

FACT: Governor Romney Fought For A Constitutional Amendment To Preserve The Longstanding Traditional Definition Of Marriage.

FACT: Governor Romney Supports The Federal Marriage Amendment, Testified Before The Senate On The Federal Marriage Amendment, And Sent A Letter To All 100 U.S. Senators Asking Them To Vote For The Amendment.

[Reaganesque]

Did you mean to respond to my post? If so, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

[xzins]

At the end of #37 we’re told to go to bio. I did. That’s where I saw the 1LT.

[Reaganesque]

I see. Well, I’m not Mr. French so, I don’t know what to tell you.

[xzins]

I think you can see from the formatting why one might be confused about that, but....forgive....my mistake.

[Jim Noble]

I think you're wrong on this one.

The court ordered the Legislature to make a law consistent with its ruling. This the Legislature did not do.

The court did not order Romney to do anything. In the absence of the court-ordered enactment of a law permitting pretended marriages among homosexuals, they couldn't order Romney to do anything, since the only order they could arguably issue against Romney would have been an order to enforce the (nonexistent) law.

Why Mitt chose to be proactive and to create a nonexistent, illegal "right" for the Commonwealth to pretend, along with the pretended spouses, that they were "married" is a question he should have to answer.

[Brices Crossroads]

“Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion.”

Mitt Romney should have declined to implement it until the legislature passed a law ratifying this decision and setting up a mechanism for implementing it. Then he should have vetoed the law, if it did not suit him. Instead, when the legislature failed to act, he just blithely went ahead and complied.

Was he afraid that the same legislature that lacked the will to confront the Goodridge decision would impeach him because he refused to implement it? A leader does not comply with ultra vires acts by another branch out of fear.

And contempt? Who would enforce these contempt citations? The executive branch, that is who. Instead of executive orders to the Clerks of Court, Romney could have issued executive orders to the state police and the National Guard not to enforce any contempt orders. His approval would have gone through the roof, and it would have been the right constitutional response to this abominable decision.

The fact that this “Harvard” lawyer (must be freshly minted if he is just a First Lieutenant) equates such a response with “George Wallace” and expresses fear of what the media would say tell me all I need to know about him and about Mitt. A REAL LEADER DOES NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE MEDIA IS GOING TO SAY. HE IS FAITHFUL TO HIS OATH OF OFFICE AND THE PUBLIC TRUST THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE PLACED IN HIM. Mitt Romney fails both the constitutional and the intestinal fortitude tests. He is not presidential material.

BTW, I am not surprised that you resort to ad hominem attacks against the organization and individual in Massachusetts that is exposing Romney’s record. All I have to say is the GOP and the country owes them a debt of gratitude.

[Reaganesque]

So, pointing out that the group sponsoring this "report" has an ax to grind is an ad hominem attack, eh? And putting out a report from that group but not disclosing that it is in fact from them is perfectly honest? Interesting.

So, you can throw out all the half truths, personal judgments based on flawed assumptions of character and an avalanche of logical fallacies based on the aforementioned lies, that's truth telling. But pointing out the lies is an ad hominem attack. Typical. Most extremists use this tactic. They say the most outrageous, slanderous thing possible about their intended target and then when confronted about the veracity of their statements and conclusions, whimper about how unfair and mean people are being to them. Typical bully. Stand up to them and they run home to mom, crying.

[TheLion]

This is total horse manure. It has been refuted 100’s of times on this forum!

[gidget7]

You are absolutely right. In ANY other state where courts have ruled their marriage laws unconstitutional, the Gov’s have had a stay put on the implementation of these pseudo marriages, until an amendment could be ratified. Romney had 6 months to do both, he didn’t.

[gidget7]

“Well said, and from someone who knows Mitt’s tactics better than most of the rest of us. I really feel bad for Massachusetts. Romney care and gay marriage. Not much of a legacy he left you.”

You got that right!! From another who is living the repercussions. We watched, and saw, day after day, what was and was not done. The talk on the homosexual side was fear of what they knew he could do and no doubt would. But they were wrong on those occasions, he didn’t stop it.

The Constitution of the Commonwealth, CLEARLY states, in matter of marriage, the Gov. and his council are the only ones who can change, alter, or otherwise effect law. NOT the legislature, and NOT the courts. The laws that probibit marriage to all but one man one woman, with age restrictions and out of state restrictions, are still on the books, they have never changed. Homosexuals getting “married” is a face and is still illegal in MA according to the law.

[gidget7]

Try all you want, if you are attempting to discredit Mr. Camaker, you are barking up the wrong tree. He is one of few with enough courage, although attacked over and over by the left, with the courage to let people know what is going on in schools and on the streets of our towns and cities.

He at least, doesn’t ignore a problem, thereby enabling the left to take our country even further into the sewer.

[VxH]

 

 

". A bit later on MSNBC, Gregory played clips from 1994 of Romney expressing pro-choice and pro-gay rights views."

 

Kolob, We have a problem.

[Brices Crossroads]

You did not refute anything I said. You merely said “lies, lies” and then used the word “extremist” a favorite cuss word of the left) What is “extremist” about expecting your Governor to stand up for, and defend, the institution of marriage rather than begin to implement an ultra vires ruling of a court, when he did not have to do so. If that is your definition of “extremist”, then that description would apply to about 75% of the American electorate.

If this group has a grievance against Romney, and I think they do since they are suffering the consequences of his actions, how does this discredit them? They have outlined what they felt he should have done and what he actually did. I am perfectly happy to let GOP primary voters decide whether Romney is really a candidate who will defend the institution of marriage when, at the critical time when he actually had the power to defend marriage, he ordered the Clerks of Court to issue the “gay marriage” licenses. Now he offers a “pie in the sky” amendment that has no chance of passage in the next 20 years and says this proves he will defend this institution of marriage. No one can take him seriously.

[Reaganesque]

You’re right. I am barking up the wrong tree. I should find somewhere that has real, Reagan Conservatives and not the right-wing fringe “fags ain’t human” nutcases.

[restornu]

Posted on 02/13/2007 12:56:02 PM EST

No problem here, it is yours for listening to a Republican hater such as David Gregory!

LOL

[restornu]

Oh silly you have nothing generating but smoke and mirrors!

Trying to deflect from Fred's proposal on Same Sex Marriage!

[VxH]

[No problem here, it is yours for listening to]

The Real Romney?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI&eurl=

[restornu]

Bla Bla Bla he beat the Dems at their own game go Mitt go!

he got his foot in the Door and stopped new abortion laws, Embryonic Stem cell research, as well as cloning and parents must be notified for the pill.

Plus he wants Marriage between a man and a women only as an amendment

[VxH]

[go Mitt go!]

He sought and got the endorcement of the Log Cabin queers multiple times.

Go Away Mitt Go Away!