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Dems' Poster Child Faces a Firestorm (FREEPER INVOLVED)
ABC NEWS ^ | 8 OCT 2007 | Rick Klein

Posted on 10/09/2007 5:21:39 AM PDT by radar101

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To: sitetest; Alberta's Child
Perhaps Alberta's Child is referring to the fact that when you severely injure someone in a car accident, their hospital bill will commonly be coming out of your pocket or your insurer's.

Does anyone know what the circumstances of the car accident were?

101 posted on 10/09/2007 6:47:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

I don’t personally know that these particular children DID get scholarships. I had just been pointing out it was a possibility.


102 posted on 10/09/2007 6:47:20 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: DBrow

“...it probably means lots of weekend work at his own shop.”

Yep, weekends when he could have been working at a second job or doing more work for customers to pay for health insurance. Instead, his priority was the fancy upscale kitchen cabinets. Any way you cut it, the parents here made selfish choices and put their financial responsibilities off on the taxpayers.


103 posted on 10/09/2007 6:48:42 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: gracesdad
Just imagine this was a Republican bill and they used a white kid of an upper-middle class family living in a very expensive home, going to a predominately white private school to promote the need for government assistance for poor families?

Now you get the idea, Jesse & Al would be calling news conferences stating there are thousands of poor inner-city kids and families that need assistance before the type of family the Republicans portrayed in their news conference.

104 posted on 10/09/2007 6:48:53 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: teenyelliott
It gets better. One of the GF was a high powered Engineer with the Bendix corp. Baltimore Sun Obit

The Other is a high powered New York architect and I am not sure but appears to have enough money to DONATE to have a daycare center named after him...

Eliza Corwin Frost Daycare Center



What's that old saw about "Charity Begins at Home"???
105 posted on 10/09/2007 6:51:56 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: wideawake

“do we know the circumstances of the accident?”

Based on another thread on this subject, the accident happened when the mom was driving her SUV, hit a patch of black ice, and slammed into a tree. One kid ended up against the tree. The other kid hit his head against the window. Apparently no one else in the SUV was seriously injured, leading to legitimate questions as to whether the kids were wearing seatbelts, and whether the parents also avoided auto insurance.


106 posted on 10/09/2007 6:52:02 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Before you reach into my pocket to buy something for your kids, you damned well better sell off your non-essentials.

A lib friend of mine sold her house, and still has tens of thousands of dollars from that sale.

But she does temp work and thinks the government should pay for her health care. She wants to hold on to her money for a "rainy day."

107 posted on 10/09/2007 6:52:48 AM PDT by syriacus (''You sit down. You've had your say, and now I'm going to have my say.'' H Dean to an Iowan, 1/2004)
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To: radar101
The mother works at a Medical Publishing firm....does THAT place offer Health Care????

WHY is this family on a FULL SCHOLARSHIP??? ARe they STARVING??? Why are they TOO good to go to PUBLIC SCHOOL??? Show me PROOF that they are on full scholarship!

108 posted on 10/09/2007 6:53:02 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: gracesdad
I don’t personally know that these particular children DID get scholarships. I had just been pointing out it was a possibility.

Thanks for clearing up that your original post #80 ("The scholarships are based on need") was just something you pulled out of your made up.

109 posted on 10/09/2007 6:53:10 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: sitetest

I’m amazed that a state like Maryland would have such a low minimum threshold for liability insurance.


110 posted on 10/09/2007 6:53:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: sitetest
A substantial portion of the population in the whole region known as Northern Virginia is made up of productive citizens who have fled Maryland over the last couple of decades.

And didn't we read a story here just this week about how the state government in Annapolis was looking for tax hikes to close a huge budget deficit?

111 posted on 10/09/2007 6:56:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: radar101

Another in a string of Democrat/liberalwingnut errors in judgement.

You’d think by now they’d have realized you cannot get away with this kind of nonsense in the era of ‘new / alternative media’.

It cost Dan Rather his job. It cost John Kerry the Presidency. It cost democrats big time with the ‘Betray Us’ ad....its costing them again here, having been outted once more.

The only question is when will the GOP candidates go on the attack, pointing all of this out?


112 posted on 10/09/2007 6:56:12 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: avacado; All

I’m having trouble believing that the kids got into an exclusive school like that on full scholarships with-out some rich relative pulling some strings. Or are the little dumplings pure geniuses?That’s a lot of money for a school like that to eat the cost of! There’s more to this story...scholarships or not.

I can understand a private school offering poor minority or inner city poor white kids a leg up....but there is more to this story! I want my kids to go to this school...based on this man’s assets and income we should get a scholarship too!


113 posted on 10/09/2007 6:56:12 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: wideawake
Dear wideawake,

“Perhaps Alberta’s Child is referring to the fact that when you severely injure someone in a car accident, their hospital bill will commonly be coming out of your pocket or your insurer’s.”

If you have an accident and cause injury to someone in another vehicle, your bodily injury liability will help to defray the medical costs of the folks in the other vehicle.

However, the minimum bodily injury insurance in Maryland is $20,000 per person and $40,000 per accident.

As far as I can tell, however, the auto insurance company would not have had to pay the bodily injury liability to the Frosts, in that it was a single-car accident, and I’m not sure that anyone was held at fault.

In Maryland, the purpose of the personal injury protection coverage (PIP) is to provide for medical cost benefits to the occupants of your own vehicle when you’re in an accident. Thus, I don’t think that the bodily injury liability coverage applies thereto.

However, even if it did, and even if the auto insurance company paid to the limit of the policy, the injuries sustained by these two children far exceeded in cost of treatment $20,000 per child.

Heck, my own auto insurance has liability limits in excess of the state minimums, but even my liability coverage wouldn’t have covered the medical treatment needed by these two kids. We’re talking well into six figures for each child.

It's quite likely that the auto insurer did pay, but that the limits of the insurer's liability were far surpassed, and the children's health insurance kicked in.


sitetest

114 posted on 10/09/2007 6:56:19 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: gridlock

That’s about what I make before taxes and I provide health insurance on my own for my family of 5. This seems clearly a case of roll the dice decision by the Frost parents. If no one needs it we “the Frosts” win. If we do we can always fall back on the public teat.

For my family a high deductable (2500x3) policy cost me 3 grand a year. i have the deductable money in the bank through frugal spending habits. Although I still have enough toys to keep the family and myself entertained throughout the year.


115 posted on 10/09/2007 6:57:54 AM PDT by lakeman
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To: radar101
According to Senate Democratic aides, some bloggers have made repeated phone calls to the home of 12-year-old Graeme Frost, demanding information about his family's private life.

When they acted to joint the political fray, putting themselves squarely in the public eye for this fight, what did they expect to happen? Add to that that their story is queerer than a nine-bob note and this is what they get. If only the IRS would pay them a visit too.....

116 posted on 10/09/2007 6:58:44 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Dear Alberta’s Child,

Many people here on Free Republic are critical that states require any auto insurance at all for licensed drivers.

However, the state’s minimums aren’t unusual. For PIP, Florida (usually a red state), California, Texas (good red state), Virginia (has been a good red state), and West Virginia have no minimum requirement. There are states with higher minimums, but even New York’s high $50,000 minimum wouldn’t have paid all the bills for these two kids.


sitetest

117 posted on 10/09/2007 6:59:42 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: radar101
"Last year, the Frost's made $45,000 combined," Manley said. "Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined depending on Halsey's ability to find work."

THAT'S STILL NOT "POOR"!

It's the Frost's own choices which keep them uninsured. Yet the taxpayers are expected to subsidize their decisions and care for their children instead.

118 posted on 10/09/2007 6:59:55 AM PDT by TChris (Governments don't RAISE money; they TAKE it.)
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To: radar101

The kids attend a private school. The family also lives in a house in Baltimore which has been appraised at $350-to-$400K in value. Methinks the dad is a bald-faced liar about the family income.


119 posted on 10/09/2007 7:02:37 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: wideawake

Although most patients with brain injuries do not experience severe motor disabilities, many show problems with strength, coordination and movement. Even patients who recover well still lose some rapid motor response.

Gemma and Graeme Frost experienced all of these types of symptoms, although the way the symptoms appeared and the children’s recoveries have been quite different. On December 4, 2004, the car the children were riding in hit a patch of black ice and spun into a tree. Gemma was sitting right where the car struck the tree and sustained an open skull fracture, shattering her left eye orbit, leaving the eye swollen shut. Doctors used a bolt to monitor and relieve intracranial pressure that was causing her brain to appear “cloudy” on CT scans. She remained in a coma for three weeks. Graeme, sitting right behind her, was injured when his head struck a window with such force that the glass broke. He developed bleeding in several ventricles in his brain and remained in a coma for several days.

Doctors removed the drain used to relieve the swelling in Graeme’s skull after a few days, but the pressure returned and he underwent surgery to put in a shunt. Once Gemma emerged from her coma, doctors planned reconstructive surgery on her eye, but cancelled it once they discovered an abscess filled with shards of wood and glass.

Graeme’s injury primarily affected his motor skills. He could not walk or swallow and relied on a naso-gastric tube for nourishment for nearly five months. Gemma’s core issues were cognitive—she could walk, but couldn’t remember how to talk, what many words meant, how to dress or how to brush her teeth. “She had to relearn everything,” says the children’s mother, Bonnie.

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120 posted on 10/09/2007 7:04:41 AM PDT by Victoria
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