Posted on 10/10/2007 1:50:23 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
Candidates sparred over economic and domestic issues and at times showing differences on the issue of trade and war.
CNBC fumbled on the debate allowing Giuliani and Romney much more time than the other candidates followed by Thompson and McCain, which was a disservice to the voters watching that actually were watching to hear what all of the candidates had to say.
It was most likely not the intent of the network, but the apparent favoritism with the amount of questions asked and the time allotted to certain candidates gave the impression that they were attempting to manipulate the results.
While the network seemed to reign in Chris Matthews since the last debate he is just way to partisan to be a debate moderator. It would be like having Pat Buchanan moderate a Democratic debate. The pundits serve a purpose but are not generally very good as moderators.
Most of the Republican’s failed to properly address the home mortgage crises which is the worst foreclosure crises since the great depression. Fred Thompson may have been an example of that when he answered his first question by saying, “There is no reason to believe we’re headed toward a recession’ and that the short term economic outlook is ‘rosy’ but that long term ‘we’re spending money we don’t have’.
Thompson said that with regards to Iraq, “the policy we’re now engaged in is a good one” saying that at first we weren’t prepared for the war effort. We are in a “fight by forces of civilization against the bad guys” Thompson emphasized at a latest point in the debate.
Thompson did not overly hurt his campaign but he may not have met the high expectations that had been created.
(Excerpt) Read more at usadaily.com ...
Looks like another Fred hit piece.
I hope Ru-paul stays in the race to the end. It gives Americans the chance to point out what the lunatic fringe is wrong about.
this guy disagrees with the conservative positions that Fred took on the two issues cited (correct positions, IMHO) so he thinks Fred failed.
No, no bias there
And he thought Ron Paul did well? Moonbat alert!
USA Today complaining about favoritism?
Thompson and Tancredo may have hurt themselves by implicit criticism of Social Security among seniors.
However, I though they all did amazingly well. I could vote for any of them- well, most of them.
The worst part of the debate was the unequal time given participants. That doesn’t happen in formal debate. It was a choice of the moderators. Would like to have heard more from Huckabee and Hunter.
...What's happening is, there's transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class to the wealthy....
...That's why you have more billionaires than ever before. Today, this country is in the middle of a recession...Poor people know about it. The middle class knows about it. Wall Street doesn't know about it...
...It's always the poor people -- those who are on retired incomes -- that suffer the most. But the politicians and those who get to use the money first, like the military industrial complex, they make a lot of money and they benefit from it....
..I don't think they're (Dubai) a threat to our national security...
...It's mercantilistic, it's neo-colonialism, that you have to maintain your supply routes and your natural resources..But I think there's still a lot of those kind of people around. And they believe -- we were told -- it was about oil and jobs when it first started in 1990, and this is just a continuation of that war.Indeed, this war is a mistake; was a mistake to go in...
...Now, as far as fleeting enemies go, yes. If there's an imminent attack on us. We've never had that happen in 220 years....
...The thought that the Iranians could pose an imminent attack on the United States is preposterous. There's no way. This is just...
... This is -- this is just war propaganda, continued war propaganda, preparing this nation to go to war and spread this war not only in Iraq, but into Iran, unconstitutionally....
...That was no country...That was 19 thugs (9.11 Terrorists). That had nothing to do with a country...
...we have violated the civil liberties of all the American people...
...Why don't we run on George Bush's foreign policy, of a humble foreign policy and no nation-building.....
Even over on ronpaulforums they are complaining about weak answers and not enough time given to him.
Hardly. Did you read the last sentence?
There are as many opinions out there as articles. It’s not a crime to be informed.
I like the one on one matchups such as Hunter vs. Thompson and Mitt vs. Rudy. Those interactions provided an opportunity to compare and contrast the candidates and also exhibited their future debating abilities against Hillary.
According to Intrade, Huckabee won and Romney lost.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1908787/replies?c=8
To: CounterCounterCulture
Snapshot at Intrade
2008 Republican Presidential Nominee
2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 38.9 39.2 38.8 116921 +0.2
2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 23.8 24.0 23.8 97384 -1.9
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F)
Fred Thompson to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 22.0 22.1 22.1 86218 +0.2
2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL
Ron Paul to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 5.7 5.8 5.5 64923 -1.4
2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN
John McCain to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 5.2 5.3 5.2 145572 -0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 2.8 3.3 2.7 49872 +0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.RICE
2008.GOP.NOM.HUNTER
Duncan Hunter to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 27578 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BROWNBACK
Sam Brownback to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 32441 0
2008.GOP.NOM.TANCREDO
Tom Tancredo to be the Rep Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 31505 0
8 posted on 10/09/2007 12:03:58 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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Post debate snapshot at Intrade: huckabee won, Romney lost.
2008 Republican Presidential Nominee
2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 38.9 39.2 38.9 116951 +0.3
2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 23.6 24.0 23.6 97414 -2.1
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F)
Fred Thompson to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 21.7 22.1 21.7 86268 -0.2
2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL
Ron Paul to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 5.7 5.8 5.7 64978 -1.2
2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN
John McCain to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 5.2 5.3 5.3 145604 +0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 2.8 3.4 3.3 49903 +0.7
2008.GOP.NOM.HUNTER
Duncan Hunter to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 27578 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BROWNBACK
Sam Brownback to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 32441 0
2008.GOP.NOM.TANCREDO
Tom Tancredo to be the Rep Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 31505 0
1,401 posted on 10/09/2007 3:08:34 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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Ditto.
"We watched the Republican presidential debate yesterday on CNBC and came away with the following notes: Firstly, Ron Paul may be a libertarian and he may have the closest philosophy to ours, but he is a nut job. His performance last night was devastatingly bad."
Dennis Gartman has historically been a Ron Paul supporter, he is a staunch libertarian, he is an originalist, he is even a hard money goldbug.
While most in the financial community do not agree with his opposition to fiat currency, they value Gartman's excellent analysis of trends in the commodity markets and he has a big Wall Street following as well as a Main Street one.
If someone as naturally sympathetic to Ron Paul's worldview as Gartman thinks Ron Paul is crazy, Ron Paul is crazy.
Gartman has not declared support of any GOP candidate and doesn't much like the field, but he says the least offensive candidate so far is Huckabee - although he doesn't give him much of a chance.
Debates are fine...but at the end of the Day it is all about electability...
There are only 2 candidates in the Republican debates that really have it...and one of them isnt the “Huckster”...likable guy...but no name recognition, he’ll not make it past the primaries...
Romney lost with his lawyers to war answer. The War Powers Act gives the President Power to immediately go to war but must go to congress for approval within a certain amount of time.
Romney and Paul?
I though Romney did fairly poorly - and Paul’s a crazy SOB.
I thought Thompson and Giuliani did well. Huckabee wasn’t good at all. Romney was mediocre at best, and a couple of his answers were downright bizarre (the attorney thing was strange, and going on-and-on in support of the clearly unconstitutional line-item veto). McCain didn’t have a good night either.
The rest of the field is irrelevant (including Hunter and Paul) ... there is nothing they can do or say that will make a bit of difference in this race. They can clearly win ... and nothing will happen. They can get trounced, and they can’t get any lower. They’re done.
Stylistically, I think Romney sounds FAR too rehearsed and formulaic. He ALWAYS sounds like he’s reading from a cue card ... the debate equivalent of Lt. Cmdr. Data (from Star Trek) or the Manchurian Candidate. I thought Giuliani and Thompson were much stronger than Romney.
Overall - Huckabee had the weakest night. He needs to excel to get on the radar screen, and he didn’t cut it. Thompson probably had the strongest night - not because he did anything particularly extraordinary ... but because he held his own as expected. Giuliani was strong, as usual.
Overall scores ...
Giuliani ... B (He’s a strong debater)
Thompson ... B+ (ended strong)
Romney ... C- (odd answers, too scripted)
Huckabee ... D (answers weren’t great)
McCain ... D (huh? I can’t hear you)
Paul ... F- (why is this guy allowed into R debates?)
Hunter ... B- for content, F for relevance (its over)
Tancredo, Brownback ... F (its been over for months)
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I do hope that he will quit embarrassing himself and withdraw from the debate.
When Paul is on I go to the kitchen for a real Baloney sandwich.
I am a Hunter/Thompson supporter but Fred looked shaky at the beginning of the debate.
Fred seems to scripted lately, something is not letting the real Fred we know come out.
You people that call him moonbat need to wake up. I'm very curious as to why there is so much bitterness towards RP-I can understand why the media squelches him(because he speaks the truth), but why supposed 'conservatives' on FR try to degrade him for being pro American and pro constitution really amazes me.
They did? Which debate were they watching?
I think Fred warmed up near the end of the debate. Nervousness was excusable since the guns were aimed at him. He did okay, but nothing to make him stand out which is what he needed to pull ahead.
Actually he didn’t. Many people have come out this morning backing up Romney’s answer as the correct one.
Here’s one.
A faux “gotcha” moment
There’s little doubt that Rudy Giuliani had an excellent debate yesterday. Moreover, although Mitt Romney did well too, it’s pretty clear that he had a bad moment when, in his answer to the question of whether he would need authorization from Congress to take military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities, he focused on consulting with lawyers. Finally, we all understand the urge of a candidate’s operatives to want to convert a less than well-stated answer into a “gotcha” moment.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/10/018716.php
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