Posted on 10/11/2007 8:52:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
==Signed: a “Darwin approved scientist.”
Then you know exactly what I’m talking about. I rest my case.
One he seems to come to the conclusion that proof that god designed the universe is that earth is near the “center”.
Not only is this a horrible horrible non scientific way of thinking. He also contradicts himself when he says that universe has no end and if you go in one direction you eventually end up coming back to the same spot. Clearly he does not understand how this works and read about it from another scientist. If you accept this theory you can not claim there is a “center” of the universe. Doing so would be the same as finding the “center” of a circumference of a circle!
Also the pioneer anomaly is only with one of the (i believe four) space crafts that are on a trajectory to leave this galaxy. If he had any scientific theory he could apply it to all spacecrafts or celestial bodies, not just one. It is called an “anomaly” because that what it is, you can’t take one problem and throw out hundreds of years of physics.
Also when he gave his description of his theory of radar waves. I believe he confused the Doppler effect with “speeding up of light” or what ever he called it. The Doppler effect is a very well understood property of waves and has been for a majority of the last century.
Ping.
Total Horse hockey. SO there’s some undetermined effect and the best you can come up with is ‘we don’t know so godidit.’ What a cop out!
People jsut don’t understand the material properties of water. It’s just more ignorance on the part of ggg.
Just confirms what I've always suspected. They've turned lying into a science. I guess that's what's meant by 'creation' science. They make up stuff to mislead the public. After all, lying is OK if it's for Jesus!
Why refute something that has no supporting evidence except for whacked-out interpretations of bronze aged goat herders who got the stories from other bronze age goat herders.
I believe the first step would be to have the “Pioneer anamoly” defined by a different source. Has NASA published anything about it?
He has taken all the available cosmological evidence containted in the Bible and plugged it into a finite form of “Big Bang” cosmology and Einstein’s theory of General Relativity. Perhaps you should examine his book and his technical papers before jumping to conclusions. Take a chill pill and see post #6 and #12.
I don’t see how he can say the earth is near the center of the universe - that may be how we observe the distant cosmic entities as redshifting, but that’s just how things will appear from any good vantage point (and we DO have an excellent vantage point, but it’s not the “center”).
I’ve talked to people that insist on the “young universe/earth” theory - they get pretty adamant.
My take is that these 6 “days” of creation were “days” (time divisions) in God’s eyes, which mean exactly WHAT to an earthling when the earth wasn’t spinning to define a day yet!
Yes, the universe is exanding (from some extrapolated center point) and the big bang is completely compatible with a designed, planned, and created universe.
Thanks.
To answer your question, a quick search of the NASA Technical Reports Server yields this and this.
The second must be ordered, or maybe I can access it through my University's library, not sure yet, as I don't have time right now to do a thorough search.
Everyone else:
"God did it." Does not pass the smell test as an answer. There has to be more to it. And just FYI, the Pioneer anomaly is so named because it DOESN'T affect the Voyager spacecraft. And BTW to the poster who said they will leave the galaxy, I'm not sure that's true of all four. They will definitely leave the solar system though. And one Voyager probe is believed to have already crossed the "termination shock" region sometime in 2004.
There is another anomaly found in the Voyager 1 transmissions, but you'll have to read up on it on your own. I read a paper on it, had to do with a slight change in the phase shift of the transmission sometime in 2004 (during the proposed time that it crossed the termination shock).
The point is...GGG, you don't get to use your "all-powerful" cop-out. In the world of science (the world in which we live by the way) your goal is not to prove yourself right, it's to prove everyone else wrong. Because your boy there proposes a solution that can not be falsified intrinsically, it is wrong. End of story. You can't prove the existence of God, and you also can't disprove it (yet).
That would be called an “ad hominem” fallacy — try to discredit the source rather than consider what they’re saying. Nice.
LOL!
This guy is always great for a good laugh.
btt
He has plugged the cosmological statements of the Bible into General Relativity and has arrived at a finite form of the Big Bang model (that is with a universe with both a center and an edge, and with the earth being at or close to the center). He is using this model to make predictions that can be falsified. One of his predictions explains the Pioneer anomaly. You might not like the implications, but that’s how science works. If the evos find faults in his theory, it shouldn’t take much for them to falsify it. If they can’t, then it will have passed its first scientific hurdle.
Once again, not just Biology that the Creationists have in their sights, but Astronomy, Archeology, Paleontology, Physics,Geology, etc, etc. As well as I.D.ists seeking to overturn the fundamental system of scientific inquiry and replace it with a system that is tantamount to Astrology according to one of its main proponents own admission.
Reality is not the opposite of spirituality. The fundamentals about God’s universe are not in conflict with HIM being the creator of said universe.
Isn’t the position of most Christians and Western Civilization proponents that it was the very Christian ideal of believing in a ordered universe governed by natural laws that laid the intellectual foundation that enabled Christian and Jewish Scientists to be among the first and best in the world? Why abandon the great intellectual tradition of such Scientists and Theologians such as Thomas Aquinas for blind unreasoning adherence to the literal interpretation of a poetic translation of the account God gave to man for the creation of the universe?
The problem with your statement “He has plugged the cosmological statements of the Bible into General Relativity” is that those so-called cosmological statements are open to interpretation by the admission of many biblical scholars. Each one thinks his is the correct interpretation. May I bring into evidence the fact that “God’s Chosen People” were one of the few monotheistic religions before the time of Christ? They were accompanied on this planet by the heathen polytheists in Egypt, Greece, and Rome.
==Isn’t the position of most Christians and Western Civilization proponents that it was the very Christian ideal of believing in a ordered universe governed by natural laws that laid the intellectual foundation that enabled Christian and Jewish Scientists to be among the first and best in the world?
As I said before, nothing has changed. Creationists still believe that God created an ordered universe governed by natural laws. What Humphreys is doing is using the scientific method to reconstruct and test the historical claims of the Bible. It’s that simple.
oops! i meant solar system but i was tired and put galaxy lol.
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