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Vatican publishes Knights Templar papers
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| Oct. 12, 2007
| Frances D'Emelio
Posted on 10/12/2007 5:00:39 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar
"There were a lot of faults in the order abuses, violence ... a lot of sins, but not heresy," she said. These included forcing new recruits to "reject Christ in words and spit on the cross," in imitation of the violence suffered by knights when captured by Muslims, Frale said. New members were kicked and punched if they refused to undergo this kind of hazing, she added.
Sounds like a bunch of fruitcakes to me. There is no way in hell that these fellers are stand-up believers. That said, the book would be cool to read - I think I'll put in a purchase request at the public library.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:23:41 PM PDT
by
WorkingClassFilth
(Have you developed your 2008 bug-out plan?)
To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
So you’re saying the Roman Catholic hierarchy were mere bystanders during the Knights demise?
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:23:43 PM PDT
by
Rennes Templar
("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
To: WorkingClassFilth
“Sounds like a bunch of fruitcakes to me.”
The Knights Templar, during their relatively short span of activity, contributed more to the development of western civilization than any other group in history.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:27:50 PM PDT
by
Rennes Templar
("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
Historians believe Philip owed debts to the Templars and used the accusations to arrest their leaders and extract, under torture, confessions of heresy in order to seize the order's riches. The Templars were slaughtered by the French king as part of the consolidation of power that led to royal absolutism in France, England, Spain etc. Documents about it are found in French archives as well as archives in Rome. The history was created by the king of France; records of it were created by the various people involved. The Roman Church (to use your polemic language) is simply making documents available. That costs money. Its normal for researchers to pay fees for obtaining documents, as any genealogist will tell you.
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The French weren't alone in that regard. The German Princes of the Heretic Martin Luther's day, didn't have a love for his changes as much as the pretty plum of the Vatican's property.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:35:49 PM PDT
by
olde north church
(Epitaph for America: We weren't humble enough to be pragmatic.)
To: Argus
Many who joined the Templars in the Holy Land left the active organization on return to Europe. There the Templar organization funded cathedrals, abbeys, hospitals, etc. Only the Knights on duty, so to speak, were expected to observe celibacy.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:38:24 PM PDT
by
Melchior
To: Rennes Templar
When I contracted for one of the Big Six accounting firms, their volumes of 5-year market projections cost $800 a pop, and they were on nasty part-recycled paper, with PowerPoint illustrations and cardboard covers.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:40:03 PM PDT
by
Albion Wilde
(America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
To: Rennes Templar
Only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, "Processus Contra Templarios," are for sale, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives. Each will cost $8,377, the publisher said Friday.What are they, hand-made illuminated manuscripts? Geez, I'll buy 'em a copy of Adobe Acrobat so they can PDF the thing.
To: Argus
I think their monastic vow of chastity would have precluded descendants, at least legitimate ones. Normally a dissolved orders property should be returned to the mother church.
So France owes the Roman Catholic Church likely in todays money trillions of dollars.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:52:52 PM PDT
by
Pontiac
(Your message here.)
To: Rennes Templar
The Knights Templar, during their relatively short span of activity, contributed more to the development of western civilization than any other group in history.
How so?
BTW, if their behavior is correctly portrayed in this caption, they've got a lot of 'splainin' to do.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:53:05 PM PDT
by
WorkingClassFilth
(Have you developed your 2008 bug-out plan?)
To: Rennes Templar
Could you point me to something credible (and less expensive) to read about the Knights Templar since you seem to know a great deal....and, frankly, I know basically, nothing....think this would be of great interest to young relatives, too. Thanks for any thoughts/guidance.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:56:07 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
To: RKV
The Catholic Encyclopedia which blames certain nobles in Philips court for the Popes condemnation of the Templars is going to have to be re-written to blame the Pope as co-conspirator for the murder of the Templars and the theft of their property. I dont think so.
As for Clement, he "was a hostage in French territory" on the eve of what historians would call the Avignon period of popes, Frale said.
I think King Philip would have a certain influence with a Pope which was basically his prisoner.
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posted on
10/12/2007 5:58:50 PM PDT
by
Pontiac
(Your message here.)
To: John123
I am certain you don’t get what is being said or is this your turn to bash the Catholic Church?
The article said: “Fredol “had gone to question the Great Master and other heads of the Templars who had been segregated, practically kidnapped, by the king of France and shut up in secret in his castle in Chinon on the Loire.”
Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Templars, was burned at the stake in 1314 along with his aides.”
The quote above means that Philip, king of France, had the Templars killed not the Catholic Church. It also means the Church through Pope Clements emissary, Fredohl discovered the treachery of Philip, reported it back to the Pope who documented it and put in the Church archives, recently discovered and published by the Catholic Church. And the Catholic Church did what wrong???
Well thought out comments on your part!
Lurking’
To: Rennes Templar
As are some many of our most sacred beliefs. And the sad part is, that take away the half-truths, and the bare bones truths are far more beautiful and believable
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posted on
10/12/2007 6:16:48 PM PDT
by
maine-iac7
("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
To: Bob J
ZOMG!!!! That same symbol is on my band-aids! Are there Templars in my medicine cabinet?
To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
tut tut, Di
take a deep breath
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posted on
10/12/2007 6:19:26 PM PDT
by
maine-iac7
("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
To: Rennes Templar
The Knights Templar, during their relatively short span of activity, contributed more to the development of western civilization than any other group in history. They were a danger to Rome because they knew the truth - and revered the truth, not what was concocted hundreds of years after the Crucifixion
running for cover
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posted on
10/12/2007 6:23:45 PM PDT
by
maine-iac7
("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
To: Bob J
Inverted colors, try Knights Hospitaller for a closer match.
The one on the left is a Hospitaller and the right is a Templar.
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posted on
10/12/2007 6:26:23 PM PDT
by
Xenophon450
(They say it's lonely at the top, then I am as lonely as can be.)
To: Rennes Templar
Not if they are issues of faith.
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posted on
10/12/2007 6:27:06 PM PDT
by
Ghost of Philip Marlowe
(Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
To: maine-iac7
What truth did they “know” that was a danger to Rome??
Maybe you are from Rio Lindo, but Philip had the means motive and opportunity and did in fact wipe out the Templars not the Pope.
What specifically was concocted hundred years after the Crucifixication?
Lurking’
To: Rennes Templar
And of course the motives are contrary.
The one seeks to find truth, despite the potential for human error.
The other seeks to deceive.
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posted on
10/12/2007 6:29:24 PM PDT
by
Ghost of Philip Marlowe
(Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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