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The rise of mosques becomes catalyst for conflict across Europe
guardian.co.uk ^ | October 11, 2007 | Ian Traynor

Posted on 10/13/2007 7:07:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

If Ulrich Schlüer has his way the Wangen minaret will be toppled. An MP from the rightwing Swiss People's party (SVP), the country's strongest, Mr Schlüer has launched a crusade to keep his country culturally Christian.

"Unlike other religions," he argues, "Islam is not only a religion. It's an ideology aiming to create a different legal system. That's sharia. That's a big problem and in a proper democracy it has to be tackled. If the politicians don't, the people will."

Switzerland's direct democracy rules require referendums if there is enough public support. Mr Schlüer has launched a petition demanding a new clause in the Swiss constitution stating: "The building of minarets in Switzerland is forbidden." He already has 40,000 signatures. ...

"Culture clashes" over Muslim religious buildings have erupted in Italy, Austria, Germany, and the Netherlands.

"Christian fundamentalists are behind this," says Reinhard Schulze, professor of Islamic studies at Berne University. "And there's also a lot of money coming in from the Gulf states." ...

In Italy the mayors of Bologna and Genoa last month cancelled or delayed planning permission for mosques after a vociferous campaign by the far-right Northern League, one of whose leaders, Roberto Calderoli, threatened to stage a "day of pork" to offend Muslims and to take pigs to "defile" the site of the proposed mosque in Bologna. ...

Cardinal Joachim Meisner of Cologne has voiced his unease over a large new mosque being built for the city's 120,000 Muslims in the Rhineland Roman Catholic stronghold. A similar scheme in Munich has also faced local protests.

The Bishop of Graz in Austria has been more emphatic. "Muslims should not build mosques which dominate town's skylines in countries like ours," said Bishop Egon Kapellari. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: eurabia; europe
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1 posted on 10/13/2007 7:07:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

WWIV is heating up.


2 posted on 10/13/2007 7:17:41 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Islam is not only a religion. It's an ideology aiming to create a different legal system.

The nativists, right wingers and xenophobes are correct with this statement. Any other religion, be it Bhuddists, Jews, Hindus, Lutherans or Mormons, can get along with their neighbors. Only the Muslims seek to supplant the legal system of their host country.

This is not being a good guest. And the guest has no right to expect the host to roll over while their own house is taken over.

3 posted on 10/13/2007 7:19:21 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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I hate to be tacky about it, but a "rise in mosques" is not something to be desired in a civilized country.

I would definately have a policy of allowing no more of them in my country than there are churches and synagogues in most muslim countries.

4 posted on 10/13/2007 7:20:17 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would think the greater fear would be about the worshipers therein.


5 posted on 10/13/2007 7:20:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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***Mr Schlüer has launched a petition demanding a new clause in the Swiss constitution stating: “The building of minarets in Switzerland is forbidden.” He already has 40,000 signatures. ...***

We could learn something from them.


6 posted on 10/13/2007 7:21:04 PM PDT by wastedyears (I turn 22 tomorrow, help me =()
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
If the politicians don't, the people will."

Someday, hopefully before it's too late, the people in this country will come to the same conclusion. Until then, we are at great peril.

7 posted on 10/13/2007 7:21:12 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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Hey Muslims....if you wanna build mosques go back to the Middle East and do it and quit trying to hijack our culture. Leave us alone already.


8 posted on 10/13/2007 7:22:46 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

You could be on to something,,the players are in place


9 posted on 10/13/2007 7:23:25 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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He is certain to be tarred, disgraced and disbarred by the politically correct crowd in Europe (and here in the USA)

Even if many secretly believe him, their politically correct dogma is going to inhibit their support.


10 posted on 10/13/2007 7:25:10 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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"Unlike other religions," he argues, "Islam is not only a religion. It's an ideology aiming to create a different legal system. That's sharia.

The Islamic world has done what they invented for the good of society--ZERO
11 posted on 10/13/2007 7:27:35 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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"Islam is not only a religion. It's an ideology aiming to create a different legal system. That's sharia. That's a big problem and in a proper democracy it has to be tackled. If the politicians don't, the people will."

Islam calls for the overthrow of the government in place. Treason...

12 posted on 10/13/2007 7:29:24 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tagline:(Optional, printed after your name on post0:)
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ews figured out something very important; i.e. polygamy is wrong and monogamy is right. Christ restated this. Elsewhere on earth, women were captured, traded like slaves, and abandoned after their usefulness ended. The revolting fact is that Mohammed discarded the wisdom of Jews and Christians about marriage, and ruined his followers. There is no equlity in the goodness of religions. Islam is hateful and ruinous of civilization.

Why is polygamy horrible and a Rx for cultural failure? Because it is a recipe for inbreeding and violence. Each generation must dispose of extra young males (how convenient is “jihadic homicidal suicide”). Each generation has fewer grandfathers and geometrically more cousins. Marrying first cousins is averaging 30% across Muslim countries.

Islam denigrates its followers. The men cannot control their sexual desires, according to Mohammed, like animals in rut, so the women must suffer being clad in all encompassing black clothing in 100° temps. The women are equal to domesticated animals and their testimony in court is worth half a man’s. Girls who get raped must be stoned or murdered by their own family to preserve the “honor” of the family.

So, I repudiate all who denigrate Christians and think the “Religion of Peace” is morally equivalent. It is morally repugnant. Coulter is right we should have converted the Iraqis. We are not cruel enough to rehab an Islamic country the way it was done in Turkey by Attaturk.


13 posted on 10/13/2007 7:29:26 PM PDT by bukkdems (Polygamy requires that you get rid of extra young men. Jihad is the way.)
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Wow! If Eurabia is finally waking up..what the hell is wrong with us?
American leftard enablers running the institutions.
The vision of the Commie takeover of the 50’s has morphed iself into the Islamo-fascist takeover of the 2’0’s.!!
The Enablers do not seem to realize that they will be the first to go. Laws of Nature..only the strong survive.
In the meantime, we are literally playing with our future as a Nation if we REFUSE TO CONFRONT THE REAL ENEMIES!
Islam is a cult.
A sick and perverted cult.
It needs to go away by whatever means necessary.


14 posted on 10/13/2007 7:29:34 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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ews figured out something very important; i.e. polygamy is wrong and monogamy is right. Christ restated this. Elsewhere on earth, women were captured, traded like slaves, and abandoned after their usefulness ended. The revolting fact is that Mohammed discarded the wisdom of Jews and Christians about marriage, and ruined his followers. There is no equlity in the goodness of religions. Islam is hateful and ruinous of civilization.

Why is polygamy horrible and a Rx for cultural failure? Because it is a recipe for inbreeding and violence. Each generation must dispose of extra young males (how convenient is “jihadic homicidal suicide”). Each generation has fewer grandfathers and geometrically more cousins. Marrying first cousins is averaging 30% across Muslim countries.

Islam denigrates its followers. The men cannot control their sexual desires, according to Mohammed, like animals in rut, so the women must suffer being clad in all encompassing black clothing in 100° temps. The women are equal to domesticated animals and their testimony in court is worth half a man’s. Girls who get raped must be stoned or murdered by their own family to preserve the “honor” of the family.

So, I repudiate all who denigrate Christians and think the “Religion of Peace” is morally equivalent. It is morally repugnant. Coulter is right we should have converted the Iraqis. We are not cruel enough to rehab an Islamic country the way it was done in Turkey by Attaturk.


15 posted on 10/13/2007 7:31:52 PM PDT by bukkdems (Polygamy requires that you get rid of extra young men. Jihad is the way.)
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Boy, they can be eye sores, can't they?
16 posted on 10/13/2007 7:32:39 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; bayouranger; Badray; ...
"Unlike other religions," he argues, "Islam is not only a religion. It's an ideology aiming to create a different legal system. That's sharia. That's a big problem and in a proper democracy it has to be tackled. If the politicians don't, the people will."

This is from Europe, but I think it deserves the CW2 ping.

17 posted on 10/13/2007 7:35:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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The last paragraph is brilliant.

"But in Wangen, that message falls on deaf ears. "First it was a cultural centre, then a prayer room, and now a minaret," says Mr Kissling. "It's salami tactics. The next thing it will be loudspeakers and the calls to prayer will be echoing up and down the valley. Our children will ask 'what did our fathers do', and their answer will be - they did nothing.""

18 posted on 10/13/2007 7:38:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Old Seadog

How about one mosque in Europe for every church built in Saudi Arabia?

Since the mosques in Europe are far ahead, let’s declare a 100% moratorium until the churches in Saudi Arabia have caught up.


19 posted on 10/13/2007 7:39:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: G8 Diplomat

They didn’t even invent the zero. Like many concepts, they found it in their path of conquest. Math was from India.


20 posted on 10/13/2007 7:40:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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