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Politically, there are two Californias. They are quite distinct, and quite different. The political divides can also be seen in the demographics and distribution of the people that comprise the two Californias.

With the flurry of legislative actions on new bills that have received the governor’s signature, the rift dividing the two Californias has been made a gapping political ravine that cannot be mended.

It is time the more conservative, more rural, and larger population that has lived under legislative tyranny free themselves politically and form a new state. The new state would gain complete control over the border with Mexico. There would be an opportunity to close many existing bond measures, balance the new state budget, a revitalization of job growth in the new state. Lower taxes, smaller state government, a fresh new approach to the public school system, fewer government regulations, less crime, less crowded prisons (most prisoners come from the counties that would be set adrift), greater enforcement of existing law, better highways, more water for agriculture, and much improved employment opportunities would be hallmarks of the new state. Oh yeah, we would need a new governor as Arnie resides in an area to be cast off. The referenced proposal to form the new state is a draft to start the process. It will require the dedication, wisdom, and energies of many to prepare a finished draft and submit it for the initiative process to voters. Although I would hope to have a role in the final draft, and subsequent state convention if approved by voters, it is not a necessity. The necessity is forming the new state. A coalition will need to be built. A coalition where all groups set aside their pride, differences and ambitions to achieve the established goal.

Monday I will begin the process of determining local support for the new state. I already have some possible large organizations in mind. Among them are organizations that fight state and local tax increases, California specific citizen rights advocacy groups tired of state infringements, dairy farmers that have recently felt state pressure to leave the state, nuclear power companies that are seeking approval to build new electrical generating plants (one here in Fresno by the way), auto dealers and distributors plagued by regulations requiring special equipment be installed on vehicles due to state emission regulations, Housing developers buried in fees, oil companies seeking to drill for more oil or natural gas and reopen or expand existing refineries, and those are just for starters.

It is time for a new fresh start.

I welcome all offers of assistance along with comments and suggestions.

1 posted on 10/14/2007 5:55:55 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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You have offered a serious proposal so I'll offer a serious reply.

Here are my 2 main concerns:

1) Those liberals, not resident in the new state, will flea to the new state and the problem will simply be recreated in the new state.

2) As the skilled, moneyed and motivated liberals flea the two, old, liberal enclaves , those counties will be consumed by Mexicans. As the Mexican demographic soars in these counties, the US face the prospect of at least one and possibly two enclaves in it's midst, whose principal residents are foreign nationals with no education, skills, capital or a desire to maintain a political connection with the US. Those foreign nationals will control two major US ports.

49 posted on 10/14/2007 12:56:08 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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If it can be done quickly enough, I'd offer a half million dollar property in the midst of the shaded southern area in exchange for acceptible similar current value on the non-shaded area:
Hint - workshop, trees, not desert sands.

PS: The suggestion should get around the contiguous area arguement by providing for free passage by sea between SF and LA/LB, the same by non shaded vessles through shaded coastal waters, and by noting that the libs get the best commercial harbors on the Pacific coast.

PPS: For the benefit of folks living in rational sections of the US, a half mil in LA county is a starter house.

54 posted on 10/14/2007 4:15:36 PM PDT by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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How about simply ceding the San Fran Bay region back to the United States as an "unorganized" territory which is "surplus to the needs of the state of California".

Then build a fence around it.

55 posted on 10/14/2007 4:17:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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I live in what used to be the most conservative Calif. county (Placer County). Unfortunately, we were invaded by people from the Bay Area cashing in on their homes. I see more liberal bumper stickers than ever before. One day I was driving on the freeway when I saw an American flag on the bumper of a Toyota Prius about a 100 feet ahead. The Prius normally have a lot of liberal bumper stickers (second only to the Suburu Forester). I thought “Wow! Finally a patriotic bumper sticker on a Prius”. Unfortunately, as I got closer I read “these colors don’t rule the world”.


57 posted on 10/14/2007 4:30:35 PM PDT by willk
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To: backtothestreets

Call the new state “NoMexico”


61 posted on 10/14/2007 4:51:34 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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Question for California Freepers, if Cali was such a “conservative” state in the past, why did it tolerate “free” public universities, unions, a relatively high state personal income tax, and, starting in the 1970s, the strictest environmental laws in the nation.


62 posted on 10/14/2007 4:52:15 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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Am I reading this right? You're suggesting that one state be made from two non-contiguous areas?

How do you propose the gray state to operate given a territorial split?

-PJ

84 posted on 10/14/2007 8:34:24 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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No thank you.


86 posted on 10/14/2007 9:07:15 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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I love it! I wish you all the luck in the world.

What type of assistance do you need?


93 posted on 10/14/2007 11:34:36 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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For future consideration: restructure the California senate so that each county can appoint a Senator, via its county council. That will create a more conservative Senate, and at the same time, cultivate more respect for local government and limit the number of annoying state laws that Schwarzedoofus can approve. It would be similar to repealing the 17th Amendment at the Federal level.

However, in order for geographic representation to occur in the state Senate, the Supreme Court’s imposition of proportional representation in all state legislative houses would have to be overturned first.


95 posted on 10/15/2007 12:58:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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If your idea succeeds, the new state will be subject to the same proportional representation problem that California and all other states are. Here’s what I suggest, should your idea succeed.

In your constitutional convention, create a Senate that represents the counties in your state, with each county government appointing the same number of Senators (1 or 2 per county should do). The House can represent the people of the new state proportionally. Naturally, somebody will sue for proportional representation in the Senate, per the Supreme Court ruling, and you will have a shot at overturning that ruling, which will benefit the other 50 states as well and return to them a measure of their sovereignty.


96 posted on 10/15/2007 1:59:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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The only difference between Northern and Southern Cal is the women wear makeup and care about their clothes in SC.


100 posted on 10/15/2007 10:15:47 AM PDT by subterfuge (It's GREAT, to be, a Florida Gator!)
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What makes you think the unshaded counties which vote democrat would go along with this scheme ??

For example Santa Barbara county or Monterey county?


105 posted on 10/16/2007 1:21:56 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Hey Dan, what do you think of splitting our state in two?


110 posted on 10/16/2007 5:56:40 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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If you succeed, I'll move back! In the meantime, I know dozens of people in BOTH proposed states who will go for your program.

Nam Vet

115 posted on 10/16/2007 6:48:14 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Timely reporting from Attila's right flank)
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Also, we would love a split in Oregon, east and west. A good idea also is to take eastern Oregon and Washington for one state and Western parts for another.

Nam Vet

116 posted on 10/16/2007 6:49:56 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Timely reporting from Attila's right flank)
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An update on the proposal to split California into two states:

1) I have to make the proposal current to the political climate in California today. The proposal was originally written before the 2006 elections.

2) With all the new environmental, anti-family, bigger government, and added regulation state laws recently passed by the legislature and signed by the girlie-man, splitting the state becomes a much more viable possibility.

120 posted on 10/20/2007 8:28:15 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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