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Politically, there are two Californias. They are quite distinct, and quite different. The political divides can also be seen in the demographics and distribution of the people that comprise the two Californias.

With the flurry of legislative actions on new bills that have received the governor’s signature, the rift dividing the two Californias has been made a gapping political ravine that cannot be mended.

It is time the more conservative, more rural, and larger population that has lived under legislative tyranny free themselves politically and form a new state. The new state would gain complete control over the border with Mexico. There would be an opportunity to close many existing bond measures, balance the new state budget, a revitalization of job growth in the new state. Lower taxes, smaller state government, a fresh new approach to the public school system, fewer government regulations, less crime, less crowded prisons (most prisoners come from the counties that would be set adrift), greater enforcement of existing law, better highways, more water for agriculture, and much improved employment opportunities would be hallmarks of the new state. Oh yeah, we would need a new governor as Arnie resides in an area to be cast off. The referenced proposal to form the new state is a draft to start the process. It will require the dedication, wisdom, and energies of many to prepare a finished draft and submit it for the initiative process to voters. Although I would hope to have a role in the final draft, and subsequent state convention if approved by voters, it is not a necessity. The necessity is forming the new state. A coalition will need to be built. A coalition where all groups set aside their pride, differences and ambitions to achieve the established goal.

Monday I will begin the process of determining local support for the new state. I already have some possible large organizations in mind. Among them are organizations that fight state and local tax increases, California specific citizen rights advocacy groups tired of state infringements, dairy farmers that have recently felt state pressure to leave the state, nuclear power companies that are seeking approval to build new electrical generating plants (one here in Fresno by the way), auto dealers and distributors plagued by regulations requiring special equipment be installed on vehicles due to state emission regulations, Housing developers buried in fees, oil companies seeking to drill for more oil or natural gas and reopen or expand existing refineries, and those are just for starters.

It is time for a new fresh start.

I welcome all offers of assistance along with comments and suggestions.

1 posted on 10/14/2007 5:55:55 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets

Is this the State of Jefferson?


2 posted on 10/14/2007 6:04:42 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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Good luck! I lived in California for 26 years, and have lived in Tennessee since 1971.
Division of the state was always being talked about, and nothing ever came of it.

Having said that, I will agree with you that No. and So. California are as different as night and day. I Lived in So. Calif. and worked for Kaiser Steel, which was based in No. Calif., We didn’t even have the same holidays. They didn’t like us, and we didn’t like them.

3 posted on 10/14/2007 6:05:06 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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Have a good time storming the castle!

Seriously, best of luck in your endeavor.

4 posted on 10/14/2007 6:07:08 AM PDT by olde north church (Epitaph for America: We weren't humble enough to be pragmatic.)
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You would have to have some kind of vote of the citizens in the unshaded counties.

Has this every happened before? There is probably a need for a consititutional convention of the succeeding counties. (expect ahrnold to crash the party)

Of course western california will then go over the top left.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 6:11:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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What about Sacramento? Seems like that’s where a lot of the problems are.


7 posted on 10/14/2007 6:12:26 AM PDT by OKSooner
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Sweet!


8 posted on 10/14/2007 6:12:52 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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The State Of Fremont would be a good name.


9 posted on 10/14/2007 6:13:16 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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This isn’t going to be fixed by dividing the state. It’s going to be fixed when CA can’t pay the debt service on its bonds, and Wall Street won’t roll over the maturity. Even then, it will take a couple of years before the CA voters realize that this can’t be fixed by increasing taxes. It will learn the same way that Michigan is now learning. Increasing taxes makes the population of the state smaller. It’s just a matter of a lot of economic pain over a period of several years.


11 posted on 10/14/2007 6:22:57 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Based on the map, I’d say the new state’s biggest problem would be border control. And I don’t mean the border with Mexico.


12 posted on 10/14/2007 6:25:53 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Call the State Dept.

They have had terrific success with implementing a Two State solution in the ME

17 posted on 10/14/2007 6:34:59 AM PDT by Popman
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Brilliant.

If nothing else, this issue can be used to distract the opposition, and make them spend time on money on something other than stealing from taxpayers.


21 posted on 10/14/2007 6:51:11 AM PDT by sourcery (Referring a "social conservative" to the Ninth Amendment is like showing the Cross to Dracula.)
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You have one problem here. From Article IV:

"Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

Is the power of the immigrant community tempered by the northern section? Would the split provide powers to them that are counter to the good of the current State?

Would the North allow the loss of the tax revenues that are generated by the South? Would the Congress approve such a move? If it resulted in the liberals being equaled by the conservatives, expect their hearty opposition.

23 posted on 10/14/2007 7:05:34 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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I was very surprised when I saw the blue and red map of the 04 election. The rural areas where overwhelmingly conservative, while the cities were liberal.
Your idea is great, but it has a snowballs chance in hell to pass.
Would’nt supporting the proposition to change the electoral
college votes to reflect the actual vote be a more attainable goal?
24 posted on 10/14/2007 7:09:01 AM PDT by 12th_Monkey
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There’s a problem here with the math or the timing. According to the statistics, California now has 33 million people, so the two new states would have a combined population far exceeding 16 million shown in the table. So it appears that somehow 17 million people vanish. Do they go back to Mexico?
Anyway, I like the idea, but I would be forced to move from my rural location in Northern Los Angeles County to the new conservative state.


25 posted on 10/14/2007 7:11:33 AM PDT by RLM
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I propose California be divided into somewhere between 5 and 70 states. 2 of which would be Democratic (LA and SF) and the rest Republican. It’s only fair since a state like Wyoming with barely 500,000 people gets two senators and a congresscritter, while California only gets two senators for 37,000,000 people.


26 posted on 10/14/2007 7:12:50 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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You’ve enumerated all the positives for the rest of us to cast off the shaded areas of you map, but to make this happen, especially through a statewide intiative, I think you’re going to have to provide some selling points to the other side of the split.

Let them know that they have a real opprotunity to finally create the kind of gov’t they want without all those pesky conservatives in the red counties thwarting their efforts.

Here are some things they could finally acheive without us;

Taxpayer paid abortion on demand
Taxpayer paid embriotic stemcell R&D
Statewide gov’t healthcare
Near complete ban on firearms
Homosexual marriage
Unfettered control of school admin and curricula

These are but a few, but you get the picture.

Oh, BTW, since they will lose a common border with Mexico, we will provide safe passage (via boat, air, etc.) of undocumented persons to their new states.


29 posted on 10/14/2007 8:11:38 AM PDT by umgud (Axis of Propaganda; lib academia, lib media, lib entertainment)
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According to that map you are just two big earthquakes away from getting your wish.

:-)


37 posted on 10/14/2007 9:00:22 AM PDT by cgbg ("I give you health care and I say 'no smoking'". "Yass'm Miss Hillary.")
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Re-read the Constitution. No new states shall be formed within an existing one.


39 posted on 10/14/2007 9:09:21 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Tagline Removed By Moderator)
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I love these attempts at splitting California, it’s been going on for over a hundred years. I wouldn’t mind if it happened.

The problem is that the concentration of population is in the LA area, and they control resources such as water, which is mostly in northern Cal. The SoCali’s like it just the way it is, and will not vote for a split.


41 posted on 10/14/2007 9:21:01 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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I would also give them Sacramento county, it is small and heavily infested. Santa Barbra could also present a problem.
43 posted on 10/14/2007 9:32:55 AM PDT by ThomasThomas
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