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To: PRePublic

We (collectively, the U.S. public) complain about Iran “helping” the Iraqi dissidents while conveniently forgetting that we gave a great deal of aid and arms to the Taliban to use against the Russians.
This is more of the same: bitching about what the Turks did 90 years ago while forgetting what we did to the American Indians 150 years ago.
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”


15 posted on 10/14/2007 9:46:59 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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Huh?
What in the world does that have to do with what what the RATS are doing now?

And BTW, Indians weren’t angelic creatures. They were barbaric murdering heathens that did their fair share of looting raping and scalping. living in harmony with “mother earth’ is revisionist Indian folklore. They ran entire herds of buffalo off cliffs.


18 posted on 10/14/2007 9:59:13 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: oldfart
We (collectively, the U.S. public) complain about Iran “helping” the Iraqi dissidents while conveniently forgetting that we gave a great deal of aid and arms to the Taliban to use against the Russians. This is more of the same: bitching about what the Turks did 90 years ago while forgetting what we did to the American Indians 150 years ago. “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

Congratulations - your little rant has to be one of the most incoherent I have read here on FR. First of all the Taliban as such was not in power at the time of the Russian conflict (yes many moved into the ranks of the Taliban later)

The Dems brought this resolution up so they are the ones "bitching" with the intent to cut off supplies to our troops, not right some past wrong. And as another Freeper stated, the "American Indians" were far from blameless in a time in the world where populations were still being conquered all over the world.

When it comes to screen names yours really is truth in advertising.

38 posted on 10/14/2007 11:00:16 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Democrat's Support Of The Military: "Invincible In Peace-Invisible In War")
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To: oldfart
We (collectively, the U.S. public) complain about Iran “helping” the Iraqi dissidents while conveniently forgetting that we gave a great deal of aid and arms to the Taliban to use against the Russians.

The Taliban didn't exist when the Soviets were in Afghanistan- many of what later became "the Taliban" - with the exception of Mullah Omar and others, weren't even of fighting age at the time, and how many were even in-country at the time is anybody's guess, as claims of having been there are as common as flies on dung.

In fact in order to fight the Russians we gave aid - including stinger missiles- to the very guy al Qaeda later assassinated on September 9, 2001 : Ahmed Shah Massood. In addition to aid from us, Massood also received aid from Iran in 1992 to set up the Northern Alliance. It was he and Dostum who captured Kabul from the puppet gov left in place by the Soviets in 92, beating Pakistan's favorite player Hekmatyar and his Hizb-e Islami to the city. But Dostum eventually defected to Hekmatyar's side against Massood when Pakistan brokered a deal favorable to Hekmatyar, and so the victors' unity was broken. Conflict erupted between them that devestated Kabul and left Massood quite bloodied. In his weakness Afghanistan was left open to the entrance of another force- the Taliban.

The Taliban formed in 1994 when they began protecting aid trucks from warlord predation, winning hearts and minds along the way. By 1995 they are ready to demand Massood's surrender, but he didn't submit. Fighting went on but by this time the west is looking the other way having forgotten their former ally. Bin Laden and al Qaeda arrive on the scene in May 1996 after fleeing Sudan. By the end of 96 Kabul is in Taliban hands.

1996 : (FISK* REPORTS) "We knew that the Americans support the Jews in Palestine and that they are our enemies," he [Osama bin Laden] told British reporter Robert Fisk in 1996, explaining why his Afghan-Arabs never accepted U.S. assistance during the anti-Soviet war.--------- "Saudi Wealth Fuels Global Jihadism," by Kenneth R. Timmerman, Insight, 10-27-2003 * yes, it's "enemy mouthpiece" Fisk

55 posted on 10/15/2007 12:16:43 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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