Coulter's anti-Semitic comment too dangerous to ignore

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[Sir Francis Dashwood]

We worry that so many Jews are so liberal.

Remeber the story of the Golden Calf?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Hands up for those who would be just as vigorous in saying that Scientologists are “right”.

Scientology and its progenitor L. Ron Hubbard are affiliated with Aleister Crowley...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Of course nazis were Christian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians

Wikipedia is wrong.

Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, Golden Dawn, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany.

Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there. Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (Μεγα Θηριον), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.

Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.

It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.

These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.

Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdoes and their deviant adherents.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

777 and other Qabalistic writings of Aleister Crowley

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Cover of 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley by Aleister Crowley.

777 and other Qabalistic writings of Aleister Crowley is a collection of papers written by Aleister Crowley. It was edited and introduced by Dr. Israel Regardie, and is a reference book based on the Hermetic Qabalah.

The first appearance of 777 was published anonymously in 1909 after Crowley had wrote it from memory in just week. A introduction to one edition by "Frater N.'." states that Crowley may have published it anonymously because it was taken from a Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn manuscript that was obligatory for initiates to memorize. The original introduction by Crowley was seen as antisemitic, containing lies and insults against the Jews. Israel Regardie cut it from his edition. -->

[Cvengr]

I only know of one man throughout all human history who successfully obeyed His Law in all thinking, decisions and action, throughout his life.

In regards to legalism, it wasn’t obedience to legalism which God found to be righteous in Abraham, but instead it was the faith of Abraham in Him which was accredited to him as righteousness, allowing a fellowship to occur.

The Law simply shows us our inability to achieve righteousness through obedience because we don’t obey.

Once we have faith through Him and walk in fellowship with Him, getting rid of the natural man by placing faith through Him in all things, we then live in obedience to the Law. So just as it was written He didn’t come to take away the Law, but to fulfill it, yet still today a New Covenant has been formed and sealed by His blood wherein all things are allowed, but not necessarily expedient.

BTW, since His SHEM refers to His meaning, while one might type a word referencing Him, taking His name in vain is more exemplified by those who deny Him and His Plan. Those who deny our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, the very object of faith in our worship of God, by which no man may have fellowship with God, are actually guilty of taking his name in vain.

Throughout the Torah are types of Christ for our understanding of what He provides.

Most people’s frustrations are due to reality not complying with their previous thinking of how the disordered environment might be better ordered. I’d encourage others to place their thinking in His hands through faith in what He has provided and allow Him to grow us accordingly.

[fortheDeclaration]

God is never reconciliated to man, rather man must be reconciled to God for spiritual fellowship to be possible.

Exactly correct.

God is propitiated, so that reconciliation is now possible.

[Atlantic Bridge]

Read this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1911295/posts?page=127#127

Since I can refer to my own experience and I am not restricted to derivative sources like books I think I can attest that most nazis were Christians that have been convinced of their Christianity. The thing is that religion simply was among one of those many attributes that are nessecary to define ones personality just as it is with many Christians today. It was something traditional in which they do not wasted too much of their brains. Of course we have some of them who were really convinced of all the BS of the “Deutsche Christen”. They really thought that Christendom and nazism would be compatible, but most Germans of that time simply never reflected the issue because it was irrelevant to them.

BTW - Himmlers neo-paganism does not play any important role. This was a elitist SS-cult for maybe 5 or 10.000 people. Some private mumbo jumbo of Himmler without any effect on relevant numbers of the German people.

[grey_whiskers]

I appreciate the courteous response...

However, I would like to point out that the book was based on interviews with real live Germans and contemporary sources as well; and (presumably) a wider swathe of the population than just your family.

Another issue which would come in at this juncture is the whole concept of "Good Germans" (as the phrase goes here in the States). How widely were the Nazi atrocities known, and how much did people believe that those atrocities were exaggerations, Allied propaganda, or "a few bad apples" ?

This was a elitist SS-cult for maybe 5 or 10.000 people. Some private mumbo jumbo of Himmler without any effect on relevant numbers of the German people.

The closer to the center of power within the Party, the fewer excuses one would have; and even some high ups were revolted enough to attempt to take matters into their own hands (Rommel was such a hero that he was allowed to commit suicide, even *after* his involvement in the bomb plot was discovered.)

Thanks again for writing, much food for thought.(*)

(*) I wonder if 60 years from now people will be debating if Thompson and/or Guiliani and/or Bush were or are Christians based on their stands on abortion, the Gulf War, etc.

History clarifies in some ways (contemporary categories and presuppositions are swept away with time) but distorts in others (new presuppositions come in to take the place of the old ones).

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Interesting take on it.

I thought she was trying to undo the liberal's conquest of the language by torpedoing the word McCarthyism as a synonym for baseless commiephobia -- and doing it by illustrating that we were heavily infested with Marxists during McCarthy's time.

I did not see that she was trying to make a hero out of him.

Cheers!

[Atlantic Bridge]

The standing of the German "Evangelische Kirche" during WWII and its "Stuttgarter Schuldbekenntnis", a whiningly pribble-prabble of scholastic wiseacres about confessing their blame in 1945 (shortly after Germany surrendered) disturbed the relationship between me and the church of my family deeply. I hate hypocritical do-gooders who always align themselves with the (political) wind.

The contemporary protestant church in Germany is not different. They are all so good and so "Christian". Jesus "must be" on their side since most of them are gay and all bishops are divorced women.

This was somehow much too "Christian" for me.

Therefore I turned to Catholicism recently. Of course all unifications of humans (it is only the holy church of God but not God himself) are also quite imperfect but the Catholic Church is far less dishonest than at least German protestantism.

[Marysecretary]

I agree. She said what most Christians should say under the circumstances. It’s not a put down of Jews at all, it’s just wishing they knew our Lord and Saviour, who was a Jew as well. Liberals love to take things either out of context or just plain lie about what they’ve read.

[Marysecretary]

G-d will defeat Islam, my friend.

[Marysecretary]

Well, dear DJtex, many of us here are Conservative Christians and you can’t separate the two.

[Marysecretary]

She has NOTHING for which to apologize. What she said was the truth, the way Christians see it. We’re sick of having to apologize for our beliefs. She can say it again and again for all I care. GO ANN!!!

[Marysecretary]

They were Christians in name only and were deeply involved in the occult—satan’s religion. They used Christianity as a club to beat people to death and they were living a lie.

[grey_whiskers]

Curiouser and Curiouser.

I am an adult convert to Catholicism as well, but for other, more personal reasons.

I agree with disliking the liberal PC-cant of many Protestant denominations, but which that the Vatican would crack down on the homosexual infiltration of the clergy...

Cheers!

[Atlantic Bridge]

However, I would like to point out that the book was based on interviews with real live Germans and contemporary sources as well; and (presumably) a wider swathe of the population than just your family.

Of course I have not read this book so far but I think that I have some experience with nazism and the history of the 3rd Reich. Maybe I will buy it although I prefer to read more uplifting stuff.

Due to the quite unusual composition of my personal background I had the chance to experience both sides (German and Allied) of history. My Grandfather was a quite successful German fighter pilot who knew many high ranked nazis before and ...after... the war while my aunt (on my father's side) married a Jew from New York whose family lost 44 members to the Holocaust. My mother was the secretary of Baldur von Schirach's (the "Reichsjugendfuehrer" - Commander of the Hitler youth) son in a factory that was owned by a guy who belonged to the "Freundeskreis Reichsfuehrer SS" (the circle of friends of the Reich-leader of the SS Himmler). He was probably member of the ODESSA since he helped many former German war criminals with well-paid jobs in his factory. The whole management board consisted solely out of high rank SS-members (BTW all of them were eminently respectable members in our local protestant church). Since my granddad was a friend of this man (Fritz Kiehn - there is only a German "Wiki"-entry ... sorry) my mother got this secretary job when she was a young girl. Over this connection I had the chance to meet some real nazis and since we knew some of them very well I even had the chance to talk to them over the 3rd Reich. Therefore I claim to have some insight that most other people can not have.

My granddad (who was responsible for a whole graveyard of Americans and Brits since he shot down a few allied bombers in 1944 and 1945), learned something out of history. Nevertheless it took him until the mid 70ties. He understands today (he is in his 90ties now) that supporting the regime was the worst fault in his live.

[Atlantic Bridge]

You say: They were Christians in name only and were deeply involved in the occult—satan’s religion. They used Christianity as a club to beat people to death and they were living a lie.

I am sorry to say that the truth is a littlebit more complicated. Nazis - even nazi war criminals - were absolutely convinced that their "mission" was absolutely compatible with being a good Christian. Those a*sholes (there is no other word for it) really believed that it was necessary to exterminate Jews as "vermin" (not my words!). They did not see jews as human beings but rather as animals. Therefore they always referred to be innocent since they understood themselves as "vermin exterminators".

This is a thinking which is of course hard to understand to someone that was not born in their society. To most of the nazi criminals their own acting was "unpleasant but necessary". The fundamental ways of thinking of those guys were simply completely different to ours.

[Atlantic Bridge]

I agree with disliking the liberal PC-cant of many Protestant denominations, but which that the Vatican would crack down on the homosexual infiltration of the clergy...

As I said - human beings everywhere...

Best regards from Germany

Andreas

[El Cid]

Re: 238

...I am sorry to say that the truth is a little bit more complicated. Nazis - even nazi war criminals - were absolutely convinced that their "mission" was absolutely compatible with being a good Christian...

I think I can understand this mindset.

For nearly 100 years proceeding the rise of Nazism, 'Higher Criticism', and Darwinism had taken root in Western Europe. Nietzsche, Haeckel, and others watered this weed - which resulted in a version of 'christianity' that was not rooted in God's Word but was a reflection of the attitude expressed in the Book Judges - when the Hebrews forgot their ancient landmarks, and 'everyone did what was right in their eyes'...

Thus it wasn't hard for the Nazis to convince themselves, and others, that this amalgamated soup of Nordic paganism, and national and racial pride could be grafted onto the pure vine of Christianity. Once you've decided that the Bible isn't the Word of God and that you can cut out the parts you don't like (e.g., we are all sinners in desperate need of a Saviour; and that we are all related, in the not so distant past, through our common ancestor Noah) - one can justify 'anything'. So in this regard I fault less the Nazis who claimed they were 'Christians', than I do their 'fathers' who tore down the old landmarks and foundations when they accepted the world's lie that the Bible was not God's inerrant and infallible Word.
Without these guideposts, man will inevitably succumb to their own vain imaginations as their foolish hearts become darkened in pride.