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Power Plant Rejected Over Carbon Dioxide For First Time (Global Warming issue)
Washington Post ^ | October 19, 2007 | Steven Mufson

Posted on 10/20/2007 3:15:58 PM PDT by bobsunshine

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment yesterday became the first government agency in the United States to cite carbon dioxide emissions as the reason for rejecting an air permit for a proposed coal-fired electricity generating plant, saying that the greenhouse gas threatens public health and the environment.

The decision marks a victory for environmental groups that are fighting proposals for new coal-fired plants around the country. It may be the first of a series of similar state actions inspired by a Supreme Court decision in April that asserted that greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide should be considered pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

In the past, air permits, which are required before construction of combustion facilities, have been denied over emissions such as sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and mercury. But Roderick L. Bremby, secretary of the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, said yesterday that "it would be irresponsible to ignore emerging information about the contribution of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to climate change and the potential harm to our environment and health if we do nothing."

The Kansas agency's decision caps a controversy over a proposal by Sunflower Electric Power, a rural electrical cooperative, to build a pair of big, 700-megawatt, coal-fired plants in Holcomb, a town in the western part of the state, at a cost of about $3.6 billion. One unit would have supplied power to parts of Kansas; the other, to be owned by another rural co-op, Tri-State Generation and Transmission Association, would have provided electricity to fast-growing eastern Colorado.

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KEYWORDS: agw; coal; energy; globalwarming; power; warming
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1 posted on 10/20/2007 3:16:01 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine
The Left wants to take us back to the Dark Ages - no heat, no light, no air conditioning and no reliable power supply. Global warming is a hoax - this is their true agenda.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 10/20/2007 3:18:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: bobsunshine

We are truly screwed.


3 posted on 10/20/2007 3:19:48 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: bobsunshine
The decision marks a victory for environmental groups that are fighting proposals for new coal-fired plants around the country.

The loons are running the asylums.

4 posted on 10/20/2007 3:21:03 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: bobsunshine

People who truly believe that power plants are endangering ol’ mumsie earth should be denied electricity, heating oil and gasoline. Let them use candles (woops, they emit CO2 also) and bicycles.


5 posted on 10/20/2007 3:26:58 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: goldstategop
But Roderick L. Bremby, secretary of the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, said yesterday that "it would be irresponsible to ignore emerging information about the contribution of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to climate change and the potential harm to our environment and health if we do nothing."

There is a direct connect between the live you live and the leaders you elect. Don't you know here is Massachusetts, the elite disapproved the Cape Wind Project, totally greenhouse gas free. My suggestion, if you need heat this winter, dismantle the elite's homes and use it for kindling.

6 posted on 10/20/2007 3:27:26 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: bobsunshine

The precedent for stupidy happened when Al Boring received his Nobel prize for being a Moron.


7 posted on 10/20/2007 3:27:57 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: bobsunshine
Next we'll ban Bovine Flatulence......

Holy Cow Farts Batman
8 posted on 10/20/2007 3:38:39 PM PDT by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: bobsunshine

The phrase, “What’s the matter with Kansas?” now has a definitive answer.


9 posted on 10/20/2007 3:39:08 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("The enemy of my enemy is an anemone." -- Nemo, and Nemo's father.)
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To: finnman69

Kansas needs to take it furthur and make it illegal to purchase power from outside the state, citing the same reason. That will be a wake up call during brownouts. Idiots


10 posted on 10/20/2007 3:42:11 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

let them run everything on ethanol which takes as much fuel to rpoduce as it generates


11 posted on 10/20/2007 3:43:13 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

The bicycle rider emits lots of extra CO2 - they should be prohibited.


12 posted on 10/20/2007 3:50:47 PM PDT by GregoryFul (is a bear a bomb in a bull?)
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To: finnman69

Each pound of ethanol produced makes a pound of CO2 in the fermentation process.


13 posted on 10/20/2007 3:53:43 PM PDT by GregoryFul (is a bear a bomb in a bull?)
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To: bobsunshine
It's a good thing that they are trying to limit CO2 emissions. Already, CO2 is nearly .38% of our atmosphere, so this is something we really need to be worried about. This is cereal.

/sarcasm off

14 posted on 10/20/2007 3:55:07 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse (especially Iran's)")
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Let them use candles (woops, they emit CO2 also) and bicycles.

Whoops, bicycles do also .. well not the bicycle itself, but the rider huffing and puffing to propel it

15 posted on 10/20/2007 3:55:33 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: bobsunshine

Lets see....no nuclear, no coal, no hydro (gets in the way of salmon migrations), .... On top of that, more people (illegals). So more people + a cap on new energy means less electricity—right? Of course, what the really want is higher taxes—not less energy. People will be able to get their energy from coal, as long as they pay special carbon taxes.


16 posted on 10/20/2007 3:57:37 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: bobsunshine
This is literally the dumbest decision I have ever heard. Here's why: Sunflower, which already has a smaller coal-fired plant in Holcomb, has portrayed the proposed plants as part of a "bio-energy center" that would include an ethanol plant and an $86 million facility that would use a still-experimental algae process to capture carbon dioxide emissions from the proposed generating units. But one investor in the center had pulled out before yesterday's decision. They took into consideration the carbon dioxide and provided a means for dealing with it! How retarded can these people be? Not only would the algae capture CO2 and mercury and pollution, but the algae would produce oxygen and the excess of the continuously growing algae could be collected and used to produce ethanol! It's the most ingenious system ever developed for producing cheap, clean power, and they just ignore it because it's "experimental". I'm so angry right now, that I feel that I might at any moment burst into flames. How could they be this stupid!?! ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17 posted on 10/20/2007 4:03:20 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: bobsunshine

OK. Build nuclear power plants then.


18 posted on 10/20/2007 4:04:13 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: bobsunshine

Replace it with a nuclear power plant.


19 posted on 10/20/2007 4:05:03 PM PDT by Wheee The People (If Hillary wins in '08, your grandkids will be forced to speak Arabic.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Actually, it would be more beneficial to lock them in asylums. It’s time for the sane folks to declare “the debate is over”.
20 posted on 10/20/2007 4:06:34 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

I like your idea. IT is logical and just.


21 posted on 10/20/2007 4:08:07 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: festus
The animal rights freaks are already on that.
22 posted on 10/20/2007 4:09:18 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: bobsunshine

The greenies are pushing for a “Flintstones” society.


23 posted on 10/20/2007 4:09:43 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Left2Right
CO2 is nearly .38% of our atmosphere

More like 0.038%

24 posted on 10/20/2007 4:13:30 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: bobsunshine
Gee, Toto, this isn't Kansas anymore.....

- John

25 posted on 10/20/2007 4:14:26 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: bobsunshine

Pure unadulterated idiocy.


26 posted on 10/20/2007 4:15:30 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Left2Right
Actually CO2 is less than 1/10th of your figure: 0.036% by volume. Table
27 posted on 10/20/2007 4:16:36 PM PDT by GregoryFul (is a bear a bomb in a bull?)
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To: DrGunsforHands
Not only would the algae capture CO2 and mercury and pollution, but the algae would produce oxygen and the excess of the continuously growing algae could be collected and used to produce ethanol!

Depending on the algae it can also produce diesel and emit hydrogen gas instead of oxygen. If they also used the waste heat from the power plant to evaporate water this would create man-made clouds which have a powerful climate cooling effect.

28 posted on 10/20/2007 4:23:10 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: finnman69
We are truly screwed.

Unless you happened to have gotten in early on carbon credits.

Massive-redistribution-of-wealth Alert.

29 posted on 10/20/2007 4:26:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: bobsunshine

Great, I hope the greenies will not complain when brownouts or rolling blackout happen.


30 posted on 10/20/2007 4:34:57 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (RIP, Corky, I miss you, little princess!!! (Corky b. 5-12-1989 - d. 9-21-2007))
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To: bobsunshine
Roderick L. Bremby, Secretary of Kansas Dept. of Health
and Environment

Phone (785) 296-1500 Fax: (785) 368-6368
Email: info@kdhe.state.ks.us

31 posted on 10/20/2007 4:46:18 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Reeses

I know! I can only imagine the frustration of the power company officials. The CO2 was literally not an issue, due to the algae. And the fact that they didn’t think selling power was a worthwhile investment. Morons.


32 posted on 10/20/2007 4:47:39 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: windsorknot
The greenies are pushing for a “Flintstones” society.

At least the "Flinstones" had animals do the work plus the lost principle of "Yabbadynamics," using their feet (and mysteriously, sometimes not) to drive their vehicles.

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With apologies to Rich Hall from his 1989 book, "When Sniglets Ruled The Earth"
33 posted on 10/20/2007 4:49:43 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (RIP, Corky, I miss you, little princess!!! (Corky b. 5-12-1989 - d. 9-21-2007))
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To: bobsunshine
Okay Sunflower Electric Power, how fast can you do a 180 and return with a proposal for a nuclear plant w/ ZERO CO2 emmissions.
34 posted on 10/20/2007 5:18:56 PM PDT by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery! She will redefine "How bad can it get?")
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To: bobsunshine

As China keeps building dirty coal fired power plants at a record clip.


35 posted on 10/20/2007 5:25:34 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: bobsunshine

These people are going to destroy us.


36 posted on 10/20/2007 5:29:51 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: bobsunshine

37 posted on 10/20/2007 5:33:55 PM PDT by Gritty (When a Liberal speaks, between the lines the rhetoric is a map back to the Dark Ages-Hermann Cain)
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To: bobsunshine

What would they say to a nuke plant?


38 posted on 10/20/2007 5:58:06 PM PDT by wastedyears (I don't wanna grow up, help : /)
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To: bobsunshine

Sure hope they have lots of down and polartec in Kansas to get them thru the winter. Don’t know what the idiots will do come summer.....move I guess.


39 posted on 10/20/2007 6:57:57 PM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: Always Right

Without sound science to back up their decision, I feel it will be overturned on appeal.


40 posted on 10/20/2007 7:41:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: wastedyears
What would they say to a nuke plant?

"Hey, cutie, I like your energy?"

41 posted on 10/21/2007 7:13:35 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Nowhere Man
Great, I hope the greenies will not complain when brownouts or rolling blackout happen.

Think Enron. The whole issue can be leveraged into a "Get the rich white guys" schtick. So what if lives are ruined and ordinary people get to forfeit their assets and spend decades in jail.

42 posted on 10/21/2007 7:15:34 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: bobsunshine

This is a power plant where 85% of the output was targeted for Colorado. Why not build it there?


43 posted on 10/21/2007 7:15:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Reeses

“More like 0.038%”

Correctamundo!

I only know that because I saw a History Channel show that included
that “death by carbon dioxide” event in Africa a couple of years back.
(I think they simply said “0.03%)


44 posted on 10/21/2007 7:16:27 AM PDT by VOA
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To: bobsunshine

Keep patting yourselves in the back while you’re in the dark. I wonder what their excuse will be when they reject a nuke?


45 posted on 10/21/2007 7:20:54 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: bobsunshine

If they can’t be built in the US than Mexico will build them and maybe some of the illegals will return home for the work. LNG terminals will soon be built there because of restrictions here...


46 posted on 10/21/2007 7:31:09 AM PDT by tubebender (My weight is perfect for my height... which varies...)
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To: bobsunshine
The Kansas agency's decision caps a controversy over a proposal by
Sunflower Electric Power, a rural electrical cooperative, to build
a pair of big, 700-megawatt,
coal-fired plants
in Holcomb


...when "THEY" came to stop the nuclear power plants, I did nothing
because I didn't get power from a nuclear plant...

...when "THEY" came to stop the wind-farm in the middle of nowhere
or just off-shore, I did nothing because I didn't get power from
a windfarm...

...and when they came for my coal-fired plant...

Well, you know the rest.
47 posted on 10/21/2007 7:35:46 AM PDT by VOA
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To: goldstategop
The Left wants to take us back to the Dark Ages - no heat, no light, no air conditioning and no reliable power supply. Global warming is a hoax - this is their true agenda.

You give them too much credit. What they really want is your tax money, and coercive social control over your words, deeds, and thoughts. They think the energy necessary to maintain a modern civilization can be obtained from moonbeams and pixie dust industrial hemp and photovoltaic cells.

48 posted on 10/21/2007 7:59:24 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: xcamel

A sad day.

But look at how happy the state enviro official gets.

Over 1/2 of one degree increase. In 35 years. And no increase in the last 9 years.


49 posted on 10/21/2007 6:56:41 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: bobsunshine; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

Ping!
50 posted on 10/22/2007 2:49:00 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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