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Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested (Shelter in Place)
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 10/25/2007 | Lori Weisberg, Roger Showley and Emmet Pierce

Posted on 10/26/2007 2:14:13 PM PDT by dirtboy

A disputed land-use strategy designed to protect new developments from devastation in the county's exurban, fire-prone areas appears to have passed its first and most critical test this week.

As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County's priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.

The communities, which together cover hundreds of acres, are The Bridges, The Crosby, Cielo, Santa Fe Valley and 4S Ranch.

Officials with the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Protection District credit the lack of property damage to a defensive program called “shelter in place.” It is a wildfire protection plan that imposes construction and landscaping standards intended to be so stringent – including mandatory interior fire sprinklers and broad swaths of protective landscaping – that homeowners can remain sheltered in their houses if they cannot evacuate.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: californiafires2007; fireprevention; fireprotection; shelterinplace
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1 posted on 10/26/2007 2:14:14 PM PDT by dirtboy
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"A correctly managed shelter-in-place community reduces the fuel levels in proximity to the properties to such an extent that they cannot support a fire,” Harrap said.

Doesn't exactly sound like rocket science to me--just basic application of common sense.

2 posted on 10/26/2007 2:21:23 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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Doesn't exactly sound like rocket science to me--just basic application of common sense.

“Shelter in place doesn't change the fact you're building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands.

The field hippies aren't known for applying common sense ... it's against their religion.

3 posted on 10/26/2007 2:25:06 PM PDT by tx_eggman ("Believing without loving turns the best of creeds into a weapon of oppression" Eugene Peterson)
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This “shelter in place” property preservation strategy should be implemented by everyone in fire-prone areas whether the standard was incorporated by the builder, or not.

Maybe leave off the INTERIOR sprinkler system; they can be a huge expense to retrofit them into existing construction, but definitely do the non-combustible roofing, and keep advancing the green landscaping out away from the house to the 100 foot mark.

Even if you’re in a modern tract home development where you can knock on your neighbor’s window by reaching out through yours, capture as much of this concept as possible by working with neighbors, and (probably) your HOA to get irrigated landscaping put in beyond your back fence (which had better not be made of wood).

Even as far back as the late 1960’s, a neighbor of mine in pre-development boom Anaheim Hills (heck, it wasn’t even known as “Anaheim Hills” back then) had installed sprinklers on top of his shake-roofed home. Any time a fire got to within a half mile, or so, he’d put them to use. You’d think such things would be normal in any new construction in such areas.


4 posted on 10/26/2007 2:29:11 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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Right off the bat I know this is a wrong. Larry Himmel..a well-known TV personality in San Diego, reported right in front of his own home being burned down in the 4S Ranch subdivision.

It was heartbreaking. Larry Himmel reporting from his burning home in 4S Ranch

5 posted on 10/26/2007 2:30:04 PM PDT by Hildy
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“Shelter in place doesn't change the fact you're building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands.

I doubt this guy is very concerned about ranchlands beinging preserved.  This is about conservancies and the domination of land ownership and management by them.  When all other concerns are eliminated, he and his carpetbaggers will focus on ranchers next.  Most folks know that such advocates already do.

As for shelter in place communities, it sounds to me like a great idea.  Isn't that what we ask of home owners already?  Keep the immeidate area around your home free from materials that feed fires, and the fires will be less likely to burn right up to and involve them.

6 posted on 10/26/2007 2:31:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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I saw a guy being interviewed on Fox about a product that he sells and installs. It was a sprinkler system on roofs and around houses but it doesn’t spray water. It sprays the same fire retardant that the air planes spray except it is clear and not colored red. If I lived in an area like southern CA I’d have that on my house.
7 posted on 10/26/2007 2:34:34 PM PDT by Ditter
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He may have lived in 4S Ranch but the map shows part of it outside the red line indicating the safer area. Maybe he lived out side the line.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#


9 posted on 10/26/2007 2:38:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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The cost for that system was $10,000. It still seems reasonable, but it isn’t a trivial expense for most people.


10 posted on 10/26/2007 2:51:13 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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If you listen to the first few sentences, he says his house is “JUST OUTSIDE” the 4S Ranch. A little research goes a long way.


11 posted on 10/26/2007 2:51:35 PM PDT by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
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If you listen to the first few sentences, he says his house is “JUST OUTSIDE” the 4S Ranch. A little research goes a long way.


12 posted on 10/26/2007 2:52:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
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Wrong - see #12


13 posted on 10/26/2007 2:53:15 PM PDT by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
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A shake-roofed home in Anaheim Hills ? That’s crazy.

You couldn’t get a building permit for a shake roof anywhere in SoCal today. It has to be tile or asphalt shingle.


14 posted on 10/26/2007 2:53:33 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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Larry Himmel..a well-known TV personality in San Diego, reported right in front of his own home being burned down in the 4S Ranch subdivision.

Hmmmm.... Is he a Journalist? I just don't trust journalists. God forgive me if I am wrong, because my first thought is, "How convenient for him that his house catches on fire at a time like this. And with a camera crew right nearby."

15 posted on 10/26/2007 2:58:11 PM PDT by webheart
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If your house burns you lose not only your house but every piece of furniture, every single piece of clothing, dishes, not to mention keep sakes and irreplaceable family pictures. Yeah, I’d pay $10,000 in a heartbeat. It might even save on your insurance premiums which wouldn’t begin to cover everything you lost anyway.


16 posted on 10/26/2007 2:59:39 PM PDT by Ditter
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he said “outside the 4S ranch”


17 posted on 10/26/2007 3:03:37 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics: John 6:53-58 Everyone else: John 6:60-66 The Choice is Yours!)
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interesting, bmflr


18 posted on 10/26/2007 3:04:07 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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It has to be tile or asphalt shingle.

I know a guy who set his neighbor's asphalt shingle roof on fire with fireworks.

19 posted on 10/26/2007 3:11:45 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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"Doesn't exactly sound like rocket science to me--just basic application of common sense."

Yes, but the environmentalists would probably find it to be illegal.

20 posted on 10/26/2007 3:17:01 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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