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Bin Laden Admits Defeat in Iraq
Strategy Page ^ | October 27, 2007

Posted on 10/27/2007 12:51:54 PM PDT by Chi-townChief

On October 22nd, Osama bin Laden admitted that al Qaeda had lost its war in Iraq. In an audiotape speech titled "Message to the people of Iraq," bin Laden complains of disunity and poor use of resources. He admits that al Qaeda made mistakes, and that all Sunni Arabs must unite to defeat the foreigners and Shia Moslems. What bin Laden is most upset about is the large number of Sunni Arab terrorists who have switched sides in Iraq. This has actually been going on for a while. Tribal leaders and warlords in the west (Anbar province) have been turning on terrorist groups, especially al Qaeda, for several years. While bin Laden appeals for unity, he shows only a superficial appreciation of what is actually going on in Iraq.

Bin Laden doesn't discuss how the Americans defeated him. It was done with data. Years of collecting data on the bad guys paid off. Month by month, the picture of the enemy became clearer. This was literally the case, with some of the intelligence software that created visual representations of what was known of the enemy, and how reliable it was. The picture was clear enough to maneuver key enemy factions into positions that make them easier to run down.

Saddam's henchmen, the main enemy, were no dummies. They were smart enough, and resourceful enough, to build a police state apparatus that kept Saddam in power for over three decades. However, for the last three years, that talent has been applied to keeping the henchmen alive and out of jail. But three years of fighting has reduced the original 100,000 or so core Saddam thugs, to a few thousand diehards. Three years ago, there were hundreds of thousands of allies and supporters from the Sunni minority (then, about five million people, now, less than half that), who wanted to be back in charge. Now the remaining Sunni Arabs just want to be left in peace. Thus the Sunni nationalists of in the Baghdad suburbs are shooting at, and turning in, their old allies from Saddams Baath party and secret police. This isn't easy for some of these guys, but it's seen as a matter of survival. While the fighting in and around Baghdad is officially about rooting out al Qaeda, and hard core terrorists, it's also about taking down the Baath party bankers and organizers who have been sustaining the bombers with cash, information and encouragement.

Bin Laden can't openly talk about any of this, because that would be admitting he had made a deal with the devil back in 2004, when al Qaeda and the Iraqi Sunni Arab terrorists united. The Baath party has always been secular. Not exactly anti-religion, but not something al Qaeda could openly embrace. Many of the Iraqi Sunni Arab terrorists are religious, but not religious enough for the al Qaeda hard core. And it's the hard liners that usually set the agenda. That's a fatal flaw with groups that depend on terrorism to keep the fight going. Cracking down on the hard core requires more clout and muscle than al Qaeda possesses these days. And that's another unspoken reason by bin Laden is singing the blues.

Bin Laden's latest audio recording brought forth a furious reaction from many of his followers. The main complaint was that only excerpts of the message were being reported on by the Arab media, and that if the entire message were put out there, the excerpts would not appear so damaging. The excerpts concentrated on bin Laden admitting mistakes, criticizing al Qaeda operations in Iraq and urging Islamic radicals to get their act together.

Al Qaeda is under a lot of pressure of late. In addition to defeat in Iraq, the organization is being battered in North Africa, South East Asia, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bin Laden has not got any good news to talk about, and that's what's really got his followers angry.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedainiraq; binladen; binnie; defeat; enemy; gwot; iraq; terrorists; totalsurrender; victory; waronterror
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We need to send Harry Reid over to "Osama's" cave for a month-long summit so they can sort things out and determine who really lost.
1 posted on 10/27/2007 12:51:55 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Has someone sent Harry Reid a memo on this???

I would love to get his reaction to this news...

Secretly Harry Reid (or hell, maybe openly, we’ll have to see) is saddened that they could not do more to help OBL in his insurgency efforts...


2 posted on 10/27/2007 12:54:47 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Chi-townChief
We need to send Harry Reid over to "Osama's" cave for a month-long summit so they can sort things out and determine who really lost.

Then form a panel of has been liberal politicians to determine where we went wrong. /s

3 posted on 10/27/2007 12:57:59 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Chi-townChief
The networks will be preparing a re-mastered version of Harry Reid's famous "the war is lost" speech, in which the full context of the remark is given:

Mr. bin Laden, the war is lost.

4 posted on 10/27/2007 12:58:08 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Chi-townChief

Bin Ladin defeated in Iraq. It’s Bush’s fault I tell you.


5 posted on 10/27/2007 12:58:40 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Chi-townChief

Reid is about to implode!


6 posted on 10/27/2007 1:00:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Chi-townChief

Did Osama also denounce Rush Limbaugh for his attack on phony soldiers?


7 posted on 10/27/2007 1:03:03 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: Chi-townChief

Great post.


8 posted on 10/27/2007 1:07:38 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Harry Reid, like his predecessor Tom Daschle, believes this news is “very disturbing”...
9 posted on 10/27/2007 1:36:06 PM PDT by tips up
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To: Chi-townChief
The dems haven't given up yet,they still want American defeat and retreat in Iraq,but slowly, I'm seeing less and less of Iraq mentioned by dems and the old media.

They stand for nothing,let us make sure in "08" that their party becomes nothing.

10 posted on 10/27/2007 1:36:46 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: Chi-townChief

bump


11 posted on 10/27/2007 1:39:23 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mdittmar
The dems haven't given up yet,they still want American defeat and retreat in Iraq

And they're far more patient and tenacious than Al Qaeda. Don't expect them to raise the white flag anytime soon.

12 posted on 10/27/2007 1:42:16 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: mdittmar

You are so right....Apathy by the voters is what
defeats us Republicans..we must get out the vote..JK


13 posted on 10/27/2007 1:43:22 PM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: Chi-townChief
Bin Laden doesn't discuss how the Americans defeated him. It was done with data

Funny, Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, are more clueless than OBL

They still think he's winning

14 posted on 10/27/2007 1:43:47 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Chi-townChief

When will the msm acknowledge that al Qaeda is in quite a quagmire in Iraq? And, if truth be told, in Afghanistan, as well.


15 posted on 10/27/2007 1:45:25 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: sanjacjake
we must get out the vote

Don't worry, the "I'll stay home unless/if [fill in the blank] is nominated" crowd is just blowing smoke. After a few months of contemplating the possiblity a Hillary Presidency and listening to her screeching voice they'll reconsider their position. ....although perhaps not publicly.

16 posted on 10/27/2007 1:50:42 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: Chi-townChief
The way things look now, the Rats and Osama will run out of time before W does.

54 weeks from now, If W is sitting on a stable Iraq, the "war is lost" Rats will be very sad.

17 posted on 10/27/2007 1:51:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Reid is so grief-stricken he is on “suicide” watch...


18 posted on 10/27/2007 1:51:33 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: Chi-townChief
In a rare but revealing slip, Democratic Congressman James Clyburn said that an American victory in Iraq "would be a real big problem for us" in the 2008 elections.

19 posted on 10/27/2007 1:53:35 PM PDT by granite ("We dare not tempt them with weakness" - JFK)
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To: citizencon

“Reid is so grief-stricken he is on “suicide” watch...”

LOL! He should be!


20 posted on 10/27/2007 1:53:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: tips up

“Harry Reid, like his predecessor Tom Daschle, believes this news is “very disturbing”...”

Yes, they are disturbed :-)


21 posted on 10/27/2007 1:54:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Chi-townChief

On October 22nd, Osama bin Laden admitted that al Qaeda had lost its war in Iraq.


On my Birthday! What a wonderful gift!


22 posted on 10/27/2007 1:55:44 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Chi-townChief; xzins; blue-duncan; jude24
Here's my favorite Terrorist Video
23 posted on 10/27/2007 2:06:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Chi-townChief
Bin Laden Admits Defeat in Iraq
As much as we like to hear that, there is something strange. There was a video a few month ago where bin laden looked obviously fake, now the audio tape, and nobody is even questioning the authenticity of that. There is a high chance that bin ladens messages are not coming from him, but he is used as a " channel" to broadcast messages that originate from someone else. Your guess is as good as mine.
24 posted on 10/27/2007 2:07:00 PM PDT by modican
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To: Chi-townChief

25 posted on 10/27/2007 2:19:55 PM PDT by Gritty (Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.The corrupt and vicious need masters-Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Chi-townChief

they must be channelling Bin Laden, cause he’s surrounded by several hundred thousand tons of rocks and holding his breath for the last several years.


26 posted on 10/27/2007 2:30:34 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer
they must be channelling Bin Laden, cause he’s surrounded by several hundred thousand tons of rocks and holding his breath for the last several years.

As was said about Saddam...and it wasn't true then either.
27 posted on 10/27/2007 2:35:10 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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Wow, is this article about the same audio? Seems to be slanted differently.
28 posted on 10/27/2007 2:37:24 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats are killing our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: Arkinsaw
I never thought Saddam was dead. Bin Laden is recycled in the carbon cycle and I'm willing to bet on it.

NO VIDEO. not even a photo that is recent. His peeps are out and showing their faces and audio but not bama lama ding dong Laden.

He's dead. He had kidney failure and if we didn't seal up his cave with the MOABs then he's died of the kidney disease. either way, I don't think he'd be shying away from the cameras with all the support the democrats have been giving him. It would just be a stick in Bush's eye to show up smiling and laughing with a weapon on his hand and the New York Times folded on his lap.

29 posted on 10/27/2007 2:41:29 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Chi-townChief

Good article. I touched on some points I haven’t seen addressed.

Well some of Laden’s most ardent supporters work in our Congress. They may or may not realize it, mostly because they didn’t have to be contacted by Laden and urged to join in his cause. They simply did it for free.

I’ll bet they were just as furious as any Al Qaeda member when Laden admitted mistakes, and the Arab press printed that before contacting Nancy and Harry for talking points.

What a revolting development for Nancy and Harry. Laden may be out of his cave soon as the fleeing rats look for another income source. Too bad we can’t send Nancy and Harry to take over his old digs for the rest of their lives.

DU and KOSS must be really down in the dumps these days.


30 posted on 10/27/2007 2:48:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Haha, Instant 72 virgins for that clown!


31 posted on 10/27/2007 2:56:21 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Chi-townChief
"Bin Laden can't openly talk about any of this, because that would be admitting he had made a deal with the devil back in 2004, when al Qaeda and the Iraqi Sunni Arab terrorists united"

b..b.b..but the Demagogues have parroted over and over again the line that secular Ba'athists and jihadist Al Qaeda can never work together, so therefore concern about Saddam's regime developing WMD programs was misplaced.
32 posted on 10/27/2007 3:00:54 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "bleat, cheat, retreat, defeat while we suck on liberal teat")
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To: All; Chi-townChief

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NEVER FORGET

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It may well be that
the entire future of all human kind
may hinge on,

during this new 21st Century,

...our finally freeing all the women of the world

...to be all that they already are in GOD’s Eyes

...and all that they can be while here on the Earth..?

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NEVER FORGET


33 posted on 10/27/2007 3:21:05 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; mdittmar

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NEVER FORGET

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The one thing The LOVE Itself needs more of in this world...

...is more LOVE.

And that only comes when people are...

...FREE =

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.

NEVER FORGET

.


34 posted on 10/27/2007 3:27:52 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Lazarus Longer

I will vote for Romney, if I have to, and with my nose tightly pinched. I will not, however, vote for Giuliani. Voting for him would be not one bit more effective for conservatives or for Republicans than voting FOR Mrs. Bill. And I am including judge selection in that assessment.


35 posted on 10/27/2007 3:27:55 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: modican

My own assessment has been similar. Perhaps these messages are from the OBL Memorial Oversight Committee.


36 posted on 10/27/2007 3:30:13 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Only if that means there’s somebody standing by to assist.


37 posted on 10/27/2007 3:31:17 PM PDT by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: phrogphlyer

“Only if that means there’s somebody standing by to assist.”

Kevorkian?


38 posted on 10/27/2007 3:32:50 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I think he’s out of the business, but yeah, something like that.


39 posted on 10/27/2007 3:34:31 PM PDT by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: All; DoughtyOne

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NEVER FORGET

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The Man who predicted 9/11 =

9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA, ..R.I.P.

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(Website - RICK RESCORLA Foundation)
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NEVER FORGET

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40 posted on 10/27/2007 3:58:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thank you Ronnie. I won’t forget. Nice to see you on the forum this afternoon.

D1


41 posted on 10/27/2007 4:02:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: Dick Vomer

He’s dead Jim.


42 posted on 10/27/2007 4:08:05 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: stevie_d_64

bttt


43 posted on 10/27/2007 4:09:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (When it makes you mad -- "ping & grrrr" -- Freeper:pandoraou812)
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To: Chi-townChief

bump for later....


44 posted on 10/27/2007 4:20:07 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: arthurus

I will vote for Duncan Hunter, and I wont have to pinch my nose... he will be a true American President...


45 posted on 10/27/2007 4:21:01 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: granite

I get a kick out of lardo Murtha’s “concern” as well:

“I worry about a slow withdrawal which makes it look like there’s a victory when I think it should be a redeployment as quickly as possible and let the Iraqis handle the whole thing.”


46 posted on 10/27/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: modican

Could be - that’s why I put “Osama” in quotes; he could very well be dead, for all we know.


47 posted on 10/27/2007 4:47:43 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: JoanneSD

Good choice!!


48 posted on 10/27/2007 4:49:29 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: granite

This quote can be found in several articles via a search on news.google.com, such as:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODYyODlkNTc5M2M4MTI2MGY1YzJiMGM2NThiYTBjZGU=

Can anyone post a link to the video containing this quote?


49 posted on 10/27/2007 5:08:54 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: arthurus
I will vote for Romney, if I have to, and with my nose tightly pinched

Outside of Hunter and possibly Tancredo I'd have to hold my nose for every last one of them.

50 posted on 10/27/2007 5:45:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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