Posted on 10/29/2007 4:03:12 PM PDT by neverdem
A narrative has been constructed by Democrats and their media allies castigating Republicans as purveyors of a racist "Southern strategy" to explain the transition of the South from solidly Democrat to solidly Republican. If a tree can be judged by its fruit, this narrative is backwards.
"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
I don’t know what to make of the article neverdem, are they saying that Jindal’s victory is a repudiation of the “Southern Strategy” or that the Republican Party has abandoned that strategy or what?
Read the last paragraph again, please.
Notice when Wikipedia changed the color scheme indicating which party in which state got the electoral votes. If you didn't know better you would think it was 1980 that the drive by media made the switch from traditional GOP blue to the red of traditional pinkos in the Cold War. The drive by media made actually made the switch in 2000. Don't trust Wikipedia on anything political.
Excepting Carter's 1976 southern win, the South has been strong GOP Presidential territory ever since.
The first bolded string means the link in the article to the 1976 electoral map in which Georgia was colored red.
The bolded GOP means the link to the 1980 electoral map in which Georgia was colored blue.
I don’t get this article at all. You can’t compare someone from India to an American negro. It’s apples and oranges, unless you see them all as “darkies.” And if anything, it seems that greater representation was a cynical byproduct of a cynical strategy. Are we supposed to celebrate this? Seems like politics at its most vile to me. Brings to mind that unfortunate scar on Reagan’s record...opening his campaign with wink and a nod to the racists.
I also find the article incoherent. Bobby Jindal was a serious candidate in the ‘03 gubernatorial election. Blanco defeated him through a blatant tribal rather than racial appeal per se. Her campaign spots always gave her full name—Kathleen Babineaux Blanco and dropped dark hints as to his religion. He only fell short by a few and easily won a congressional seat shortly thereafter.
Well, we all know what happened in the summer of ‘05. Blanco had a meltdown, Nagin threw tantrums and Louisianans got their noses rubbed in their shortcomings with all the world watching. Jindal, on the other hand, rose to the occasion in spades and did everything a mere congressman could for his state.
Louisiana decided that after sixty-odd years they could no longer afford “colorful” characters in Baton Rouge and decided to go against tradition.
Here’s hoping Bobby’s the face of a new Republican leadership. Lord knows we could use one.
Start again with the first paragraph. One of the Justice Brothers likes to use the term people of color in distinction to just Caucasians.
And if anything, it seems that greater representation was a cynical byproduct of a cynical strategy. Are we supposed to celebrate this? Seems like politics at its most vile to me.
Nixon and Reagan brought their Democrats into camp on social and security issues. First was anti-Communism and opposition to the antiwar movement tearing Democrats apart. Second was law-and-order, which meant standing up to urban rioters and campus radicals. Third was social conservatism, defending traditional values in the moral and cultural revolution of the 1960s.
On civil rights, the Nixon position was desegregation, yes, social engineering, no. Nixon integrated the Southern schools that had been 90 percent segregated when LBJ went home. While opposing busing for racial balance, Nixon grudgingly obeyed the court orders.
Robert Putnam: Diversity Is Our Destruction
Robert Putnam's paper, "E Pluribus Unum..." which I linked, is quite instructive, and he's a liberal from Harvard.
Gov Jindal was on Fox News Sunday, he seems well informed, not the lightening rod type, reform minded.
He mentioned School Vouchers, low taxes stimulating economic growth etc. I liked him, he is a tad by the book though.
Gov Jindal will be a featured speaker at the RNC convention in Minneapolis in 2008, he is a rising star to be sure.
Check the first link in comment# 7 and the text below it for a description of what was in the Southern Strategy.
As for PJB, he's just wrong. He worked for Nixon, didn't he? So maybe that's his motive for lying. But the words of the actual Nixon campaign guy speak for themselves.
Again, the article is very strange. It seems to be celebrating and rationalizing what was a cynical, sick ploy.
Were you aware of what was going on in the 1960's, or did you read about it after the fact?
Is this a misquote?
“From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”[3]
Reference 3. ^ Boyd, James (May 17, 1970) "Nixon's Southern strategy: 'It's All in the Charts'". New York Times. p. 215.
Page 215 of the NY Times makes no sense to me. How old are you, if I may ask?
Are Senate Offices Lying To You? - -- Some are claiming there is no Veterans Disarmament Act! Check the links in the excerpt at least. It's scary.
Health Sector Puts Its Money on Democrats
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This article wasn’t what I expected by the title... But I will promise this: Bobby Jindal will be a very formidable presidential candidate in 8 years. If he can transform Louisiana the way I expect him to, there may be no stopping him.
“Republicans have worked to maximize black congressional representation by creating black-majority congressional districts.”
Bull. Its called gerrymandering and it was never done to “maximize black congressional representation”. Say you have 4 congressional districts with blacks comprising a large minority in each district. In order to avoid having to answer to this minority constituency in each district, the politicos redefine the districts so that they have one solid black district and 3 solid white districts. 3 votes to 1 beats 4 maybe votes in any legislature. Same goes for electoral politics. 3 solid white votes out of 4 beats 4 votes that have to appeal to black issues come election time in any election. Its not just a race based strategy though. Anytime you know the voting patterns of a given area, you can redefine the districts so you “maximize” the amount of districts that vote in your party’s favor. Both parties do this but to say that anyone has ever done this to “maximise black congressional representation” is selling you a load of crap.
If he had won in 'o3" and had been in charge with Katrina, he might be contending for the VP spot on the Republican ticket. As it is, at age 36 he has twenty years to make his mark on the national consciousness. As it is, his person record is far more impressive than Obama's and he is far more authentically American.
The effect, of course, to do this. The natural result of concentrating people of a certain type in a district is to produce congressmen with the same background. Historically, Catholic congressmen come from Catholic districts; ditto, Mormons and Jews. Generally, the representative is representative of the voters.
In a way I’m glad he didn’t win in 03, too much success to fast can cause problems like locking thinking into one pattern that is repeated over and over again.
He has a really hard job just making LA a functioning govt, and dealing with Katrina’s damage.
But now, if he is successful, the narrative will be “Young Minority GOPer cleans up a Democratic Mess in LA”
And that is one heck of a great narrative!
The Katrina cleanup he can manage, because that means working more efficiently a system that ought to be working better. Cleaning up LA politics on the other hand, is a job for Heracles. Rats and Dims are equally culpable.
I have to go with Huck on this one. While the author makes this single distinction between Jindal and blacks the entire rest of the article focuses on blacks.
It's poorly written at best or the author does not know that Indians are Caucasians. Or, he's simply assuming that all white Southern voters are too stupid to know this.
Thanks for the ping!
A narrative has been constructed by Democrats and their media allies castigating Republicans as purveyors of a racist "Southern strategy" to explain the transition of the South from solidly Democrat to solidly Republican. If a tree can be judged by its fruit, this narrative is backwards.When the 1994 "Contract with America" approach bore fruit, Pubbies made gains in the South, including some party switchers. Before the new congress was sworn in, the Dhimmicrats began their broad attack on tobacco -- amazing that tobacco had no ill health effects for the previous 58 years, during the rickety FDR coalition.
Yes, I am excited about this man.
I think this is the money quote:In order "to benefit politically from racial polarization" Republicans have worked to maximize black congressional representation by creating black-majority congressional districts. These efforts transform the Democratic Party, keep segregationist Democrat politicians neutered, and drive southern whites away from the Democrat organizations. The Republicans in 43 years have produced results that are precisely opposite the Democrats' results from their nearly 200 years of "trying to benefit politically from racial polarization."That is, racial polarization was a fact of Southern life for 200 years, and the Democratic Party was very successful in benefiting from it over the party's entire history up until 1968. Republicans didn't invent racial polarization, and it didn't invent profiting politically by it - but, starting in 1968, it has actually turned racial polarization to its own advantage.But the crucial point, the point of the quote, is the effect of Republican efforts to "benefit from racial polarization." What it has done is to neuter white Democrat segregationists by empowering, in a limited way, black Democrat segregationists. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 led to gerrymandering blacks into a few preponderantly black districts, minimizing black influence in the rest of the districts. The irony of the act was that although it was an LBJ initiative it was (as the article notes) enacted with majority Republican votes and a minority of Democratic votes - and the day that he signed it, LBJ foresaw that it would give the Republican Party control of the South.
So in a very real sense the Republican solid South was consciously constructed by LBJ. And although the Republican Solid South includes old white segregationists (witness Strom Thurmond), the Republican Party did not become segregationist in order to attract them. Rather, the white South could never move past segregationism without a political upheaval, and that upheaval was the move of the white South to the Republican Party.
Has the white South transcended its racist past? I would hesitate to go that far, but I would only note that according to Thomas Sowell he has seen the time when was as much as his life was worth to be seen as a negro man with a white woman in the South - and yet in recent years he has been in restaurants in Atlanta with white women and felt perfectly comfortable. As recently as 1960, I myself publicly danced with a negro woman and felt like every eye in the room was on me - even in the North.
I question whether that has entirely dissipated. But that is hardly the same as saying that there has been no change at all - and that is in fact the position of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is in fact not "progressive" but reactionary.
The blue and red colors on a Presidential election map have been traditional until 2004. The party holding the Whitehouse has been traditionally colored blue, while the party not controlling the Whitehouse has traditionally colored red.
That means in 1976, when Carter won Georgia, Georgia was a “red state”, because the Republicans controlled the Whitehouse and Carter was a Democrat. In 1980 when Carter again won Georgia, Georgia was a “blue state” because he (and therefore the Democrats) held the Whitehouse.
In 1984, Brinkley famously referred to Reagan’s landslide as a “Sea of Blue”. Since the Republican’s held the Whitehouse, they were “blue”.
In 2000, there came the phrases “red state” and “blue state”. The MSM took up those nicknames and changed tradition in the 2004 election making Bush’s States Red and Kerry’s States Blue, breaking the general tradition that went back to 1968 (first color television coverage of an election).
Reference 3. ^ Boyd, James (May 17, 1970) "Nixon's Southern strategy: 'It's All in the Charts'". New York Times. p. 215.
Page 215 of the NY Times makes no sense to me.
You can find that article as a PDF here: www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf. The Times listed page 25 as page 215 when they put it online. They also didn't say it was from the New York Times Magazine, not the regular newspaper.
It's not really a study of "the Southern strategy." It's a portrait/trashing of Kevin Phillips. As such, it has more to do with Northern Irish and Italians than Southern Whites.
In 1970 the Times Magazine set felt more comfortable with the New Left than with conservative Republicans. Still, Phillips did rub a lot of people the wrong way, reducing politics to ethnic antagonisms.
Looking back three decades, though, Phillips doesn't have to be ashamed of the substance of his ideas, though he wasn't the best spokesman for the political strategies he supported.
Notice though, that the Wikipedia entry cites another Times article that contradicts the standard liberal assumptions about the "Southern strategy": "Risen, Clay (December 10, 2006) "Myth of the Southern Strategy." New York Times. p. 10-2b (also apparently from the Magazine.
I'd agree with you about not trusting Wikipedia where political opinions are concerned. Maybe not even for facts. But someone says something about elections 150 years ago -- as in the Medved article -- that doesn't jibe with common on-line reference works it's a sign that they may not be right. We'd have to do more research, though, before we can come to any real conclusions about this "Opposition" or "Opposition Party" of 1854.
Thanks for the links, but you do see my point. Page 215 doesn't even make sense for the Sunday Magazine. Unless someone is thoroughly familiar with the material, how do you make sense out a typo like that?
Do you have a source for that?
Red=Blood of Christ
White=Purity of Christ
Blue=Law of God
The Rodent Commie Party can change us from Blue to Red however jokes on them...RED...BLOOD OF CHRIST...
http://www.presidentelect.org/index.html
It’s unofficial but the color scheme is what I remember since I started paying attention to politics.
I’ll look for the source. I was a Poli Sci major in undergrad (88 to 92) and that was what we learned. NBC and CBS held to that tradition until 2004, I know that (ABC was always a bit odd).
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