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Trick or Treat (Fred Thompson on the 2nd Amendment)
The Shooting Wire ^ | October 31, 2007 | Jim Shepherd

Posted on 10/31/2007 9:01:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Last week, Sturm, Ruger & Company (NYSE: RGR) stock took a licking in the marketplace after Ruger officials admitted their revitalization plan wasn't quite on the rails the way they had envisioned. Yesterday, Smith & Wesson Holding Company (SWHC) received a similar spanking after earnings came in below analysts' expectations of 12 cents a share. Notice there were earnings, they just weren't the earnings the market analysts expected. Rather than 12 cents, earnings were a nickel less. In exchange, Smith & Wesson Holding Company took a big tumble, losing nearly 40% (39.67) in heavy volume with more than 14 point seven million shares changing hands.

The fall began at the opening bell, with the first trade at $13.75, quite a change from Monday's close at $20.09. Smith & Wesson officials say the cut in expectations were due to lower than expected demand for rifles and shotguns. Since the acquisition of Thompson/Center Arms last year, Smith & Wesson has been more dependent on consumer markets, with the company's progress over the past year having already doubled the stock price.

With yesterday's news, however, analysts say a slowdown in hunting and consumers postponing sales will continue to hurt the stock value. Market followers say the "adjustment" to Smith & Wesson's near runaway performance over the past year was inevitable, and long-term the company's health is not in question.

Meanwhile, presidential hopeful Fred Thompson is making his bones with the firearms community. He has issued a statement regarding his position on the United Nations and their campaign to regulate "small arms" globally. We don't have a favorite in the Republican primary candidates, but it would seem former Senator Thompson from Tennessee has taken a page from the playbook of another plain-spoken Tennessean Senator, Senator Davy Crockett. Rather than paraphrase, we'll let you read Thompson's comments for yourself. FYI, we'll run the comments from other candidates when (if) they ever make a definitive statement on firearms, the Second Amendment and litmus-test issues with shooters.

That having been said, Senator Thompson:

"Last year, the United Nations Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights declared that international human rights law requires all nations to adopt strict gun control laws. These "minimum" provisions are much more restrictive than any of those on the books anywhere in the U.S. and would almost certainly violate the Second Amendment of our Constitution.

Besides concluding that all nations are obligated under international human rights law to control the small arms and light weapons to which its civilian population has access, the UN report remarkably denied the existence of any human right to self-defense, evidently overlooking the work of Hugo Grotius, the 17th century scholar credited as the founder of international law, who wrote, "It is to be observed that [the] Right of Self-Defence, arises directly and immediately from the Care of our own Preservation, which Nature recommends to every one. . . ," and that this right is so primary, that it cannot be denied on the basis that it is not "expressly set forth."

There is another disturbing aspect to this call for international global gun control. Throughout modern history, the forced disarmament of people by its government has often been accompanied or followed by that government's commission of often massive human rights abuses. In fact, no genocide in the 20th century occurred when the victim population still possessed small arms, legally or illegally, with which to defend themselves.

So now the UN wants to disarm civilians? Where was the UN when the massacres in Rwanda occurred? What did the UN do to protect the victims of ethnic massacres in Bosnia? Disarming civilians under the guise of international human rights law will only lead to more such genocides by ensuring that civilians can never defend themselves! It would be funny if it weren't so perverse.

Thankfully, the Framers of our Constitution recognized this potential peril to our liberty, and enshrined in our Second Amendment the more basic right of self-defense. The U.N. can say what it likes about other countries' citizens' possession of small arms being a violation of human rights law, but so long as the United States is a sovereign nation governed by its Constitution, its words will have no effect here. And I am glad for it."

As always, we'll keep you posted. -- Jim Shepherd


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; electionpresident; elections; federalism; firearms; firstprinciples; fred; gop; gunowners; humanrights; nra; republicans; rtkba; selfdefense; thompson; unitednations
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If like me, you vote on certain issues like RTKBA, you'll want to study this.
1 posted on 10/31/2007 9:01:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He hits all the right points, but ... quoting Grotius? Not exactly stirring.


2 posted on 10/31/2007 9:06:39 PM PDT by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m still undecided on fred. the RKBA is number one with me but I have heard he is a CFR guy and I understand that those people are in favor of “global gun control” anybody heard anything regarding this? if so I’m all ears.


3 posted on 10/31/2007 9:12:17 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a very important issue. And we must look carefully at each Presidential candidate to see where they stand on the 2nd Amendment. We must look at each candidates record of collaberation with UN policy. Voting record (if applicable) statements regarding the 2nd Amendment, and statements regarding support of UN programs.

Anyone too friendly with the UN should be construed as potentially an enemy of the 2nd Amendment and the right of self protection. Furthermore, anyone friendly with the uN should be suspect as someone who would bargain away our rights and sovergnity in exchange for some unknown agreement that benefits some elitist or corporate entity.

I think Fred Thompson is very clear that He is a friend of the 2nd Amendment and our Constitution. he is also a friend of US sovergnity.


4 posted on 10/31/2007 9:14:20 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If a polotician does not trust me with my weapons, why should I trust them with theirs. RTKBA, secures all other rights, that is why they are trying to take this one away from as many as they can.


5 posted on 10/31/2007 9:14:21 PM PDT by JDickeson75 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hunter and Thompson seem to be the only two who understand the 2nd amendment. Excellently articulated piece.


6 posted on 10/31/2007 9:17:55 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: phrogphlyer
He hits all the right points, but ... quoting Grotius? Not exactly stirring.

I'm not exactly a Fred Thompson fan, but I wouldn't criticize this approach. His persona is that of a "country boy" who has tremendous intellectual depth. While I think both sides of that persona are more spin and less substance than what his supporters believe, he doesn't hurt himself playing the issue this way. He makes clear to RTKBA voters that he opposes what the U.N. is proposing, but he does so in a way that doesn't evoke images of a redneck with a "cold dead fingers" bumper sticker.

I have no doubt that Duncan Hunter would be stronger than Mr. Thompson in defense of the Second Amendment, and if this writer hasn't heard from any other candidates, then he isn't listening to Mr. Hunter. I wish this Mr. Romney would make a similar statement. Of course, I mostly hope that whoever is elected will do more than talk about preserving our rights.

Bill

7 posted on 10/31/2007 9:18:21 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: phrogphlyer; bobby.223
Image and video hosting by TinyPic NATIONAL REVIEW; "Waiting on Fred" Aug 27 2007 The Supreme Court, and judicial issues in general, are Thompson's strong suit. Not only does he have the background-the Watergate investigation, the Senate Judiciary Committee, private practice, and the job of guiding John Roberts through his confirmation hearings-he also knows the conservative legal stars who would likely be candidates for the Court in coming years. But he won't name names, beyond the men already there, "I like Roberts and Alito and Scalia and Thomas" he tells me. "We're in a heck of a lot better shape because of Roberts and Alito, and one more gain would put us in even better shape." Should he become president, Thompson would undoubtedly try to nominate that elusive fifth conservative. Image and video hosting by TinyPic
8 posted on 10/31/2007 9:31:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If any of you are willing to abide by the UN law and want to sell your SKS or lever action rifle before you get in trouble, CONTACT ME FIRST.


9 posted on 10/31/2007 9:49:15 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: bobby.223
YES HE IS A CFR MEMBER, AND HE ADMITS IT. NOBODY DENIES OR APOLOGIZES FOR THIS.

Happy?

10 posted on 10/31/2007 10:09:42 PM PDT by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: WFTR
I have nothing to assuage your reservations about Fred if his record and public statements don't satisfy you. So here's a cartoon I found amusing.

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11 posted on 10/31/2007 10:16:58 PM PDT by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan
I don't feel all that bad about Fred Thompson, but I don't feel all that good about him either. I'll spare you the usual list of why I don't feel all that good about him. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him, and I'll do my usual volunteer work for the local Republican party. I may or may not identify myself as part of the Thompson campaign, but my volunteer work will include support for the entire GOP ticket.

Either way, I agree that the cartoon is amusing and sadly true. The anti-gun fanatics target the average gun owner because the average gun owner is a peaceful, law-abiding citizen who respects the right of other citizens to disagree. There's no danger for the anti-gunners in attacking the average gun owner while there's danger in targeting either the radical racists or the criminal class. The anti-gun lobby is made primarily of cowards.

Bill

12 posted on 10/31/2007 10:45:37 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: jellybean; Politicalmom; girlangler; KoRn; Shortstop7; Lunatic Fringe; Darnright; babygene; ...
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13 posted on 10/31/2007 10:48:32 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: bobby.223; All

So what?

He is also a member of the American Enterprise Institute, and actually has participated in that organization. I can find no evidence that Fred has even written a single paper or been involved in a single CFR function.

“AEI’s purposes are to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate.

Its work is addressed to government officials and legislators, teachers and students, business executives, professionals, journalists, and all citizens interested in a serious understanding of government policy, the economy, and important social and political developments.”

I did a search for “sovereignty” on their site. It came up with this as the first result:

Short Publications Section (397)
Courting Danger
By John R. Bolton
Posted: Saturday, January 1, 2000

Undebated Questions about UN Peacekeeping
By John R. Bolton
Posted: Saturday, September 9, 2000

Do We Really Want to Place the U.S. Navy under International Judicial Supervision?
By Jeremy A. Rabkin
Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2007

A search on gun control came up with this:

Events Section (16)

The Bias against Guns
Monday, May 19, 2003

What Is the True Meaning of the Second Amendment?
Wednesday, February 12, 2003

Supreme Court Gun Cases
Friday, October 3, 2003

Books Section (3)

The Bias against Guns
Posted: Saturday, March 1, 2003

More Guns, Less Crime
Posted: Saturday, April 1, 2000

Real Federalism
By Michael S. Greve
Posted: Saturday, January 1, 2000


14 posted on 10/31/2007 10:59:41 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: WFTR; Politicalmom

“I don’t feel all that bad about Fred Thompson, but I don’t feel all that good about him either. I’ll spare you the usual list of why I don’t feel all that good about him. If he’s the nominee, I’ll vote for him, and I’ll do my usual volunteer work for the local Republican party. I may or may not identify myself as part of the Thompson campaign, but my volunteer work will include support for the entire GOP ticket.”


I know what you mean.

Fred Thompson has to help. (or even lead)


15 posted on 10/31/2007 11:11:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: Free Vulcan
Hunter and Thompson seem to be the only two who understand the 2nd amendment.

Then you disagree with this position statement?  Which part of the 2nd Amendment do you feel this candidate does not understand?

I share our Founders’ belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising this right.

I have always supported the Second Amendment and these are some of the bills I have introduced in the current Congress to help restore respect for it:

In the past, I introduced legislation to repeal the so-called “assault weapons” ban before its 2004 sunset, and I will oppose any attempts to reinstate it.

I also recently opposed H.R. 2640, which would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to ban U.S. veterans experiencing even mild forms of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome from ever owning a gun.

You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property. As President, I will continue to guard the liberties stated in the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment

16 posted on 11/01/2007 12:35:07 AM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t see how any gun company can stay in business. How many new cars would be sold if the old ones were reliable and usable after 100 years?

I have a Winchester model 1897 12 Ga. that was made in 1914 a LeFever 16 double made in the 30’s and a 1903 Springfield for deer hunting. They all work fine and look really cool.


17 posted on 11/01/2007 1:26:22 AM PDT by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: bobby.223
Bookmark for later post
18 posted on 11/01/2007 3:06:35 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: o_zarkman44

Does anyone suspect this is just an economic decision unrelated to internal business practices or conditions.
A response to the potential of a second Clintoon Presidency?

I think we will see the same thing occurring in many companies across the board in the following year.

W


19 posted on 11/01/2007 3:18:48 AM PDT by WLR (Armed Staff on School Campus. Build the Fence, Iran delenda est)
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To: Celtman

Ron Paul is not popular with the pro war armchair heroes on this forum. Obviously they have an exceedingly poor grasp of history if they think the threat from a few smelly rag heads half way across the world is greater than the threat to our liberty represented by people like Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Guiliani Romney, McCain, and last but not least King George II (I will sign any assault weapons ban that reaches my desk) Bush.


20 posted on 11/01/2007 3:39:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; P-Marlowe; jude24; blue-duncan

There needs to be a clear declaration that no treaty can over-ride our Constitutional freedoms. Otherwise, that would be a backdoor way of amending the Constitution.

The Scotus should just as easily rule suspect provisions of any treaties entered into “unconstitutional” as they would any other law enacted by the legislature.


21 posted on 11/01/2007 3:46:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fred doing well here on both the Second and on our national sovereignty.

Defund and expel the U.N.
22 posted on 11/01/2007 4:18:38 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: from occupied ga

The threat from the smelly ragheads around the world IS being used as a crutch by the leftists in America. While the jihadi are indeed a threat, many of the knee jerk reactions by lawmakers specifically target the rights of Americans. A totalitarian state has a firm grip on the conduct of it’s population. in the name of fighting terrorism, notice that terrorism has been redefined to include the manufacture of hate crimes.

As for Ron Paul, I am not impressed. Running from problems overseas is not going to strengthen America one iota.
Weakness is the strength in the credibility of the United Nothings. They only can exert their manipulation on weak nations. Strong nations can just blow them off because the UN, without concensus, is weak and unable to accomplish anything of substance.

Beware of deception. Candidates are very good at disguises. Public record speaks volumes compared to rhetoric.


23 posted on 11/01/2007 4:58:13 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: o_zarkman44
As for Ron Paul, I am not impressed.

I'm less unimpressed with Ron Paul than the leading Republican three stooges. Romney Guiliani and McCain represent a real threat to individual liberty in the USA. Ron Paul does not although he is far from perfect.

And what are the overseas threats and how serious are they? Are they as serious as the statists would have us think? Unlikely, yet even on this so-called conservative forum you have people praising the grossly misnamed patriot act and clamoring for more government control and intrusion in the lives of citizens.

24 posted on 11/01/2007 5:04:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: bobby.223
I’m still undecided on fred. the RKBA is number one with me but I have heard he is a CFR guy and I understand that those people are in favor of “global gun control” anybody heard anything regarding this? if so I’m all ears.

I used to be a member of the John Birch Society and the problem presented by CFR and the other globalist organizations is something to which I've dedicated over 20 years of research. There are a few things you need to understand about CFR: They were behind the failed League of Nations post WWI and they created the current version of the U.N. They rule DC. Every President since Woodrow Wilson has been heavily infested with CFR appointees from the top of the cabinet to the bottom. Reagan was NOT a member but his VP and every member of his cabinet and their primary assistants were members. So if you want to be elected President you don't have to be an Orchestra member, you just have to know who the musicians are and dance to the right tunes. That's FACT. Write the CFR and ask for their latest annual report. They'll send it to you for free. Then look up the names of their members -- only about 3,000 in the USA. You'll find a Who's Who of CEOs, high level politicians; hot shot media elites and extremely high level military officers. They've covered all the angles. They cannot be stopped. They're not supposed to be stopped...according to Bible prophesy. But they can be delayed, perhaps.

I think Fred is one of the Good Guys, here. As far as I'm concerned, he is no RINO. He's the real deal as far as conservative ideology is concerned. However the key is who will occupy his cabinet. You can bet his veep and primary agency heads will be CFR. The only way a single man, even the President can slow this agenda is by refusing to act on the key elements of their agenda in a timely manner and by using his veto powers carefully.

There is another factor to consider: The core of the CFR cabal is a very small group of ultra rich or ultra influential power brokers. They're also members of the Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome and the Bilderbergers. Think George Soros. Unfortunately, membership rosters for those other groups are more difficult to come by.

But to really be a BAD guy you've got to be a made man so to speak with that inner circle. Everybody else is a member for self serving reasons (a critical ticket to be punched in terms of political and monetary success). I think Fred punched his ticket as he was no doubt instructed to do. You can tell who the real members of the conspiracy are and they're usually NOT the folks who blindly defend the 2nd Amendment as Fred has done recently.

You want to get read into the whole plot? Just take a look at the book list on my FR home page. The books by William F. Jasper, James Perloff and G. Edward Griffin are the most critical. If you care enough to really READ.

25 posted on 11/01/2007 5:20:05 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: bobby.223
Well! Speak of the Devil! Satan's Minions
26 posted on 11/01/2007 5:26:25 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
hey soldier, thanks for the link, Satans minions lolol

Maybe not enough coffee yet, but I read the whole thread thinking 'campaign finance reform' CFR.

I admit I hadnt heard much about these 'clubs' and think you might get some hits with a well linked post and maybe open some other eyes about how the royalty of the world works [ its all about $$$=power] and advertising to the masses.

Hopefully we have a covert operator working inside the club which would do the right thing and ignore the pure lure of power. Kinda the way politicians used to be, serving the people instead of ruling...

27 posted on 11/01/2007 6:17:07 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great article. Great man.


28 posted on 11/01/2007 6:24:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bobby.223
Not the exact issue, but don't read so much into CFR membership like so many here do.

While the overwhelming number of members are academics, like almost all think tanks, there are "opposing viewpoint" members as well.

Something to consider and worth further study if need be. Jeane Kirkpatrick was a member and there was even a research chair established in her name at the CFR.

Kirkpatrick was Reagan's UN ambassador and a trusted ally in the fight against communism. She was no globalist.

Neither is CFR member John Bolton...

29 posted on 11/01/2007 6:24:28 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: from occupied ga
Excuse me, but these good folks would like a word with you about your post:



If you are having trouble hearing them, it is because they are dead, being killed by a few smelly rag heads.

But I have been assured that they said

HORSE HOCKEY

30 posted on 11/01/2007 6:29:13 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: Soliton

Its because I don’t have a Winchester Model 97 yet.
Or, what I REALLY want, a repro Model 87 lever action shotgun in 12 gauge.
Or a shootable Mauser C96 or reprod, preferably in .45 (the Chinese a bunch of these...) or 9mm. (I’d LOVE to show at IPSC with one...)
Or a Springfield XD compact in .40 or .45.
Or a S&W Schofield (or Italian Repro).
Or a...
Ya get the idea? I may have more guns than I need, but I’ll NEVER have as many as I want...


31 posted on 11/01/2007 6:32:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: bobby.223

The RKBA is at the top of my requirements for a candidate. All other freedoms come from the fact that the populace, if they have the guts, can fight back. This is why Rudy will NEVER get my vote.


32 posted on 11/01/2007 6:33:47 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: stevio
The RKBA is at the top of my requirements for a candidate. All other freedoms come from the fact that the populace, if they have the guts, can fight back. This is why Rudy will NEVER get my vote.

************

It may be the most important issue for me as well, although there are others.

33 posted on 11/01/2007 6:35:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Celtman

Sorry, Ron Paul is scratched off my list of consideration, I don’t even read his positions. He’s screwed himself with me with his anti-war position, even if he’s right on this issue.


34 posted on 11/01/2007 6:49:53 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(s)but but but the futures traders at intratrad are tanking the futures market comodity shares for Thompson! hee is doooooooooooooooooooooooomed!!!! AND dick moris hates Thomspon!!! AND Huckabee has a Giutar!!!! AND Giuliani was mayor on 9/11 and Hillary was senator on 9/11....DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!! (/s)

could not help myself. Just waiting for the one issue attackers to demand we focus on one issue of Hillary Clinton (aka Rudy Giuliani)


35 posted on 11/01/2007 7:02:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ejonesie22
Your abysmally ignorant and inflammatory post notwithstanding you need to get history book - one with short words so you can understand it and see just how many people were killed BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS in the 20th century vs how many were killed by terrorists. I'll give you a hint. A conservative estimate is 80,000,000 were killed by their own governments. So unless you can somehow come up with a convincing argument that human nature is different in the USA than in the rest of the world you're the one who is full of sh!t.

Oh and btw since you're into pictures here are some people who would say worry about your own government

People lined up for the gas chambers at Auschwitz

36 posted on 11/01/2007 7:03:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga

That’s right. Bush IS Hitler! Thanks for clearing that up, buddy.


37 posted on 11/01/2007 7:33:46 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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To: from occupied ga; All
Nice try Skippy...

Which Book you want me to pull back off my bookshelf?

Speer's book?

Shirer's?

Spielvogel's?

How about Rayfield's book on Stalin?

Would you like for me to see if I can dig up my History Honors paper on Nazism's impact on German Culture? OUR GOVERNEMT BET THOSE GUYS...

Why, because WE ARE NOT THEM.

You bunker types worrying about "the man" and trying to get legal drugs and all that crap make me sick. Your patronizing idiocy is entertaining at best.

Wake up and smell the 21st century.

Those "Smelly Ragheads" are after some real weapons and want us dead. No one is listening to your conversation or cares unless you have some connection to the "ragheads".

Damn, just damn...

38 posted on 11/01/2007 7:37:09 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: The Pack Knight
That’s right. Bush IS Hitler! Thanks for clearing that up, buddy.

A. I'm not your "buddy" I try not to be buddies wih jackasses. And B. Show me where I said that.

39 posted on 11/01/2007 7:39:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga

Oh, I get it. The real threat is Nazi Germany, not our own government. Thanks for clearing that up, pal.


40 posted on 11/01/2007 7:41:25 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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To: ejonesie22; from occupied ga
If you are having trouble hearing them, it is because they are dead, being killed by a few smelly rag heads.

And if those "smelly rag heads" (wonderfully racist of you (FOG), by the way) manage to get their hands on a nuclear device, as their obvious intention is to do?

41 posted on 11/01/2007 7:41:57 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

Don’t worry.. we won’t care because the US government will have turned us all into lampshades by then.


42 posted on 11/01/2007 7:43:53 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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To: kevkrom
They are just after quicker ways to cook marshmallows and chicken...

No pork obviously...

Damn, just damn...

43 posted on 11/01/2007 7:44:25 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: kevkrom
"(wonderfully racist of you (FOG), by the way)"

It is clear that the poster was referring to terrorists and one could make the claim that he was in fact talking about islamic terrorists. Neither party is a race so his statement cannot be racist.
44 posted on 11/01/2007 7:46:15 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Durus
Neither party is a race so his statement cannot be racist.

Touche. But they are still bigoted.

45 posted on 11/01/2007 7:48:08 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: ejonesie22
Why, because WE ARE NOT THEM.

The German people were not them either. It only took a few nefarious leaders to make what happened there. In a country where Hillary Clinton is the frontrunner for the Presidency and Nancy Pelosi is the speaker of the house, how can you say that could never happen here (regardless of your feelings about Ron Paul or the comparative threat posed by the Islamists)?

46 posted on 11/01/2007 7:52:57 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (Fred!)
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To: ejonesie22
Nice list of authors. Too bad you didn't learn anything from them. Oh and btw I thought rayfield's book was a bit on the sensational side ANY and ALL governments will always tend to maximize their power at the expense of the citizens. I believe it was H. L. Mencken who said something to the effect that every government employee was empowered at the cost of a small loss of freedom from the citizens, and every government employee's paycheck came at the expense of the taxpayers. Something that you neocons seem to embrace.

OUR GOVERNEMT BET THOSE GUYS... Why, because WE ARE NOT THEM.

We "bet" (sic) those guys in the '40s; however, the USA has been racing down the slope to socialism ever since. Gun control, wealth redistribution, estate tax, all right from the Marxist handbook Komrade. And if you're too blind to see it, then you're the one who needs to wake up and look at the 21st century.

Your patronizing idiocy is entertaining at best.

Your pompous and militant ignorance is not in the least entertaining - just a sad commentary on the lack of thought in the general populace.

47 posted on 11/01/2007 7:55:24 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: kevkrom
Touche. But they are still bigoted.

I freely admit to being prejudiced against islamic terrorists - so what?

48 posted on 11/01/2007 7:58:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: bobby.223
I have heard he is a CFR guy and I understand that those people are in favor of “global gun control” anybody heard anything regarding this? if so I’m all ears.

The Council on Foreign Relations has all kinds of folks in it; those considered liberals and those who are conservatives. All kinds of ideas are presented by its members, and from what I can tell, there is no consensus among them about any sort of 'global government', though I'm sure there are some members who would approve of such a thing.

49 posted on 11/01/2007 7:58:40 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: The Pack Knight

Whatever


50 posted on 11/01/2007 8:02:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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