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Camping limit rankles hunter
Associated Press ^ | November 02, 2007 | SUSAN GALLAGHER

Posted on 11/02/2007 4:57:55 PM PDT by george76

Nick Dole has set up a hunting camp in the same area of the Lewis and Clark National Forest every year since 1982 and stayed there for up to five weeks at a time, so it bothers him that the U.S. Forest Service stands to break his tradition by enforcing a 16-day limit on camping.

Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., also finds the decision disturbing and wants the regional head of the Forest Service to intervene.

"Our personal camp has been -- what, a 20-some-year situation -- and they want to change it," Dole said Monday from the camp he and friends use as a base for hunting deer and elk in the Little Belt Mountains east of Helena. The site is an undeveloped piece of ground with no toilet and not even a fire ring, but the road access is good.

That's OK this year, but it won't be in 2008, the Forest Service says.

Starting next year, the agency no longer will waive a 16-day limit on camping. People who wish to dwell in the forest longer must move to a different place, at least five air miles away, the Forest Service said.

Dave Cunningham, public affairs officer for the Lewis and Clark forest...said he knows of no formal complaints about extended stays, but Forest Service officials had heard comments that people settled in for too long.

"We got the sense that some people thought they were being denied opportunities" to camp in places they liked, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at casperstartribune.net ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: forestservice; helena; hunting; montana; usfs
USFS acting as if someone might complain...

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1 posted on 11/02/2007 4:57:56 PM PDT by george76
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To: girlangler; Montana Headlines; jazusamo; SunkenCiv; fish hawk; Myrddin

Dole said he contacted Rehberg after finding that the best way to communicate with the Forest Service “is to go above them and let it trickle back down.”


2 posted on 11/02/2007 5:00:21 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
If the trend continues, government parks and forests will be human free zones.
3 posted on 11/02/2007 5:01:15 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: oyez; Carry_Okie; B4Ranch

The land of no use.

The eco-nuts have taken over the forest service, BLM, NPS...to ban all human activity.

No hiking, no camping...


4 posted on 11/02/2007 5:17:56 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: oyez

THAT is their goal!


5 posted on 11/02/2007 5:22:31 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: george76
USFS acting as if someone might complain...

Maybe someone has,

I can think of potential problems with someone camping indefinately at one spot. I have heard of other parks have a two week limit. And being asked to move once every 16 days is hardly outrageous. He's going to be out there up to 5 weeks and he's being asked to move basically just once.

6 posted on 11/02/2007 9:07:29 PM PDT by Sci Fi Guy (Brian De Palma hates America)
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To: george76
It sounds like USFS is trying to prevent people from squatting on a piece of land and living there without a defined time to depart. 16 days is a fairly long period to camp. There should be a way to request a longer period that still includes a defined date to vacate.
7 posted on 11/02/2007 10:16:26 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

I think that they set the camp up, then various friends come and go for a shorter time. Sounds like most come for a week or long weekend.

Squatting for a long time if others also want some access is not good. The USFS should control that if there really are people who have complained.

However, we have seen many cases where fishing, hunting... all kinds of recreational uses have been banned. Hopefully this case is not the usual death by a thousand cuts.


8 posted on 11/02/2007 10:26:24 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Probably has to do with encroachment on Bigfoot nesting areas.


9 posted on 11/02/2007 10:47:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: george76
Many of the Fish and Wildlife people make up rules as they go. They delight in screwing with people. It's hard to do anything about their misbehavior. When it does damage to a vacation, you are out the time and money. There's is no way to retrieve that loss. Perhaps taking these little tin gods to small claims court for the value of the vacation spoiled would get their attention. If everyone did that on a consistent basis, they might have a shot at curbing the bad behavior.
10 posted on 11/02/2007 10:49:34 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: george76

I’m on the side of the hunters here, but there may be sanitation concerns at issue. Not stated in the article, so it’s just a WAG on my part.


11 posted on 11/03/2007 4:05:10 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Sci Fi Guy
I can think of potential problems with someone camping indefinately at one spot. I have heard of other parks have a two week limit. And being asked to move once every 16 days is hardly outrageous. He's going to be out there up to 5 weeks and he's being asked to move basically just once.

So far as I know, most parks run by state and national govt agencies have a 2 week limit, which in some cases can be extended if no one else is requesting the spot.

I'm not sure what the big deal is. If people were allowed to stay for an indefinite period of time, would some just move in permanently?

12 posted on 11/03/2007 4:22:02 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: george76

16 days is more than reasonable. Five weeks is taking advantage. Move to another area if you really want to stay there. I don’t see this as a very bad rule. People get an inch and expect a mile.


13 posted on 11/03/2007 4:26:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: george76
I have seen campsites used this way in the San Juan National Forest in Colorado. It would take a dump truck to haul off the beer cans and whiskey bottles.
14 posted on 11/03/2007 4:33:42 AM PDT by Comus (10%er and proud of it.)
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To: oyez
If the trend continues, government parks and forests will be human free zones.
15 posted on 11/03/2007 4:40:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Hopefully after camping here for every year since 1982 , they clean up after themselves.

If not, then the forest service should be on them for that too.


16 posted on 11/03/2007 7:37:43 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Comus; Grampa Dave
From the International Rainbow Family ?


17 posted on 11/03/2007 7:51:40 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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