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VERY Surprising Military Death Statistics, 1980 - 2007
Congressional Research Reports (Extracted ) ^

Posted on 11/03/2007 9:08:48 AM PDT by InfantryMarine

Military Death Numbers compiled by a friend from DOD reports.

Below is some very interesting data reference deaths in the military. I guarantee you will not read this in your local newspaper nor will you see it on the daily news broadcast. I pray this will help you to enlighten folks around you to the brave and courageous young people serving in our military.

Deaths in the Military

1980 .......... 2,392

1981 .......... 2,380

1982 ......... 2,318

1983 .......... 2,465

1984 .......... 1,999

1985 .......... 2,252

1986 .......... 1,984

1987 .......... 1,983

1988 ......... 1,819

1989 .......... 1,636

1990 .......... 1,508

1991 .......... 1,787

1992 .......... 1,293

1993 .......... 1,213

1994 ......... 1,075

1995 .......... 1,040

1996 .......... 974

1997 .......... 817

1998 .......... 826

1999 .......... 795

2000 ......... 774

2001 .......... 890

2002 .......... 1,007

2003 .......... 1,410 [534*]

2004 .......... 1,887 [900*]

2005 .......... [919*]

2006 .......... [920*]

Figures so noted with an asterisk (*) indicates deaths as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.

You may initially feel confused when you look at these figures - especially when you see that in 1980, during the term of President Jimmy Carter,there were 2,392 US military fatalities. What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose and tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.

Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities.

Wrong again.

The latest census shows the following:

European descent (white).........69.12%

Hispanic.........................12.5%

African American.................12.3%

Asian.............................3.7%

Native American...................1.0%

Other.............................2.6%

The fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:

European descent (white)........ 74.31%

Hispanic.........................10.74%

African American..................9.67%

Asian.............................1.81%

Native American...................1.09%

Other.............................2.33%

Source:

These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

Pass this on,Semper Fi


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1 posted on 11/03/2007 9:08:50 AM PDT by InfantryMarine
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To: InfantryMarine

Very interesting. Were these men and women killed in combat or do these numbers also include routine every day accidents?


2 posted on 11/03/2007 9:14:36 AM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: InfantryMarine

what is amazing is that under clinton, there were 8,033 military deaths, under bush, counting the casualties of war, there were 7,803...can anyone (libs) explain that? I can because I served under carter...gutting the military results in lost lives, period..


3 posted on 11/03/2007 9:14:43 AM PDT by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: InfantryMarine

Listening to CNNABCNBCCBSMSN, one would assume hundreds of thousands of poor uneducated blacks were being killed on the front lines for the sole purposed of amusing Bush.


4 posted on 11/03/2007 9:15:08 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: InfantryMarine

Finally, we have the statistics.


5 posted on 11/03/2007 9:17:36 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: InfantryMarine

Even the ABS media is noticing.

Their readers are demanding bad news from Iraq,
and well, there isn’t much.

The casualty rate is now at or below the peacetime
accident rate.

Interesting trend in the peacetime rate.
Any correlation between it and the
hummer replacing the jeep?
Or just a result of troop level reductions?
_______
ABS - Agenda Bias Spin
(even the left has to admit it:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/015810.php)


6 posted on 11/03/2007 9:17:37 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: InfantryMarine
Thats alot of heart attacks and other physical ailments and accidents. Keep in mind the military back then was Huge.
7 posted on 11/03/2007 9:17:49 AM PDT by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: InfantryMarine

Why are there no deaths in 2005 and 2006 not related to Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom?


8 posted on 11/03/2007 9:19:30 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: InfantryMarine

Pardon me if my question is ignorant. I went to the link and it says active duty deaths. Does that include guard units?


9 posted on 11/03/2007 9:20:25 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: InfantryMarine

Your numbers while quite interesting are meaningless statistics without knowing the Denominator for each of the posted numbers.

In other words do we know the total number of people in the military in 1986 and the total number of people in the military in 2006?

With knowing both the Numerator and Denominator we would know exactly what percentage of military personal died each year.


10 posted on 11/03/2007 9:21:43 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: InfantryMarine

A lot of deaths in the military are due to training accidents. When you have a less educated, lower quality force (as we did prior to the 1980s), these deaths are going to be higher due to...acts of stupidity. For example, a friend of mine (who was a clerk typist in the Army in the early 80s) used to tell me that the most common death letter involved people who went out into the field on manuevers, fell asleep in the high grass, and got run over by tanks. Not very smart. I am sure that the more lethal (and hopefully less essential) training practices have been phased out over the years as well.


11 posted on 11/03/2007 9:22:35 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: InfantryMarine

Semper fidelis BUMP!


12 posted on 11/03/2007 9:23:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: InfantryMarine

bttt


13 posted on 11/03/2007 9:25:03 AM PDT by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: trumandogz

Deaths are denoted as integers. They are not in percentages. So numerator and denominator do not apply.

The percentages, as used here to denote ethnicity, do not require knowledge of total combatants.

These data are anything but meaningless.


14 posted on 11/03/2007 9:29:30 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: purpleraine
Does that include guard units?

Only if they had been activated.
15 posted on 11/03/2007 9:30:47 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: trumandogz

“Your numbers while quite interesting are meaningless statistics without knowing the Denominator for each of the posted numbers.”

It is only meaningful if you are selling insurance.

The fact is: Service men in harms way are doing a better job and are not having to pay the ultimate price as often. This is all good news.


16 posted on 11/03/2007 9:31:01 AM PDT by burroak
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To: rbg81

“...involved people who went out into the field on maneuvers, fell asleep in the high grass, and got run over by tanks. Not very smart.”

Tell your friend his is either an idiot or full of crap!


17 posted on 11/03/2007 9:34:37 AM PDT by burroak
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To: Beckwith

It makes sense. People die every day. And in Iraq the MSM counts everyone no matter how they died as a casualty of war. With the majority of the Army in Iraq, then all those dieing people get attributed to Iraq and dumped on President Bush’s head by the MSM. Darn we should have figured this out sooner.


18 posted on 11/03/2007 9:37:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: John123
Very interesting. Were these men and women killed in combat or do these numbers also include routine every day accidents?

The size of the military and the relative frequency of the various types of casualties vary over time, the meaningful numbers are casualties in each category per person or man-year. The only chart I could find quickly does not cover post 2005 casualties, but it's easy to extraplate out to the present as we know the casualty numbers.

One thing that really jumps out when you look at the numbers that way is the success of the US Military in holding down accidental deaths in the last 5 years, something that requires a very serious ongoing commitment to improving operational methods and then training and leading troops to take advantage of them under wartime conditions.

19 posted on 11/03/2007 9:39:04 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: trumandogz

They are not meaningless at all. The media reports raw numbers, not % killed relative to overall numbers. This reporting merely keeps it apples to apples. To use a different format would only confuse the issue


20 posted on 11/03/2007 9:39:28 AM PDT by aroundabout
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To: rbg81

One of the leading causes of death among military personnel, and it is a matter of much concern among base commanders and of the DoD in general, is off-duty automobile crashes in the U.S.A. and its territories. Even young men (and women) with high IQs and college degrees can act stupidly while driving an auto, especially with the aid of a few beers or margaritas.
Another leading cause of death is helicopter crashes while engaged in training exercises or routine flights in non-combat areas (i.e., stateside).
I’ve seen data showing that even in Iraq about 25 percent of the milpers killed lost their lives in non-combat accidents. My number may be off a bit, but the percentage is not insignificant.
The numbers cited here may be total military fatalities, both combat related and not.


21 posted on 11/03/2007 9:40:41 AM PDT by Elsiejay (,)
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To: InfantryMarine

RE: 1992-2000 figures

Want to reduce deaths in the US Military?
Just shrink it!
(aka “The Clinton Military Doctrine”)


22 posted on 11/03/2007 9:40:59 AM PDT by VOA
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To: burroak
The fact is: Service men in harms way are doing a better job and are not having to pay the ultimate price as often.

No. The numbers are meaningless unless you know the number of people in the military each year.

For example if in the year 1986 the military had 1,000,000 members and there were 1,984 deaths that would equate to a .001984% death rate.

And if in the year 2002 the military had 750,000 members and there were 1,007 deaths that would equate to a .00134267 death rate.

It is just simple math and with out knowing the total number of deaths and the population the numbers are meaningless.

23 posted on 11/03/2007 9:43:59 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Elsiejay
One of the leading causes of death among military personnel, and it
is a matter of much concern among base commanders and of the DoD
in general, is off-duty automobile crashes in the U.S.A. and its territories.


And even vehicular accidents in pacified or semi-pacified zones,
e.g., Gen. Patton.

I also know of the son of a teacher I knew in Los Angeles.
IIRC, the son was in the US Navy, then "re-invented himself"
and was a top-flight Arabic translator (in the Army?).
He volunteered to go on tour in Iraq (so a married colleague
could stay home in the USA).
IIRC, he and his driver were killed instantly in a run-of-the-mill
head-on car accident soon after he got to Iraq.
24 posted on 11/03/2007 9:45:37 AM PDT by VOA
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
I believe it. The thing that really gets to me is the size of the forces we have committed in Afghanistan and Iraq and these people have weapons and dangerous items all around them.

Now suppose you compared them to a similar population of the most dangerous mid-sized cities in the United States, it would be interesting to see how the combat deaths in the field compare to the civilian deaths due to homicide and accidents?

25 posted on 11/03/2007 9:46:04 AM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: joe fonebone

and look at the way clinton destrpyed the military....almost 1.8 million active duty when he got in and 1.37 when he left...


26 posted on 11/03/2007 9:46:31 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: trumandogz
Your numbers while quite interesting are meaningless statistics without knowing the Denominator for each of the posted numbers.

Your point would, of course, be valid, if we were having a discussion on the safety of the military or something similar. But we aren't. The left in this country is using dead soldiers as a prop to bash Bush and the war. We are supposed to believe that they somehow value the lives of each and every member of the military, yet these numbers prove otherwise. Men and women have been dying in similar numbers for decades, yet it never stopped the Democrats from pushing for defense cuts.

No, they've set the standard for using these numbers, this article only throws them back in their faces.

In any event, given the incredibly low numbers of casualties suffered in actions to liberate and pacify two entire countries in the space of six years, I really don't think the left would want to start looking at "Denominators".

27 posted on 11/03/2007 9:46:43 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: InfantryMarine
It is interesting, but according to this the only deaths in the military in the past two years are in the Iraq fighting, which can't be correct. And you can't dismiss the casualties in war by saying they are less than or equal to peacetime accidents and illnesses. The fact is soldiers died in the war. In my very humble opinion the numbers are not especially large considering the nature of the war, the number of years of fighting, etc. but of course one soldier lost or wounded is a lot to them, family and friends.

It seems to me they are heroes doing their job for all of us and there is no reason to diminish their losses.

28 posted on 11/03/2007 9:46:44 AM PDT by Williams
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To: InfantryMarine

Great Post!


29 posted on 11/03/2007 9:49:37 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: InfantryMarine

Two of my sons have had training incidents occur. One took a fall wearings nods and the other had parachute failure.


30 posted on 11/03/2007 9:51:12 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: joe fonebone

IMO, higher alert status, increased training and higher morale reduces accidental deaths in the military.


31 posted on 11/03/2007 9:51:37 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: InfantryMarine

Go here for details.

32 posted on 11/03/2007 9:52:14 AM PDT by x
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To: rbg81
"When you have a less educated, lower quality force (as we did prior to the 1980s..."

Don't confuse motivation with "quality".

33 posted on 11/03/2007 9:52:21 AM PDT by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: Elsiejay

When I was going through flight school at Pensacola we were told of a study that followed Navy-Marine Corps pilots for 20 years. Aviation is inherently dangerous, military aviation moreso and naval aviation the most dangerous. Yet the leading cause of death for pilots in this 20 year survey, which included war years, was auto accidents.


34 posted on 11/03/2007 9:53:19 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know.)
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To: Williams

The posted article is ambiguous for 2005-2006. Go to page 10 of the link provided to see the actual numbers—nothing higher than previous years in Iraq.


35 posted on 11/03/2007 9:53:43 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: InfantryMarine

If the numbers for 2005 and 2006 are claiming that there were no deaths other than for the operations in Asia, I’d say the numbers were wrong.


36 posted on 11/03/2007 9:54:02 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: InfantryMarine

truth bump


37 posted on 11/03/2007 9:54:28 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: InfantryMarine

referance ping


38 posted on 11/03/2007 9:55:07 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: BGHater
>>> Keep in mind the military back then was Huge.

Full Time Equivalent (FTE) forces / casualties = % of troops
as abridged from the sourced link
1980..... 2,159,630 / 2,392 = .11%
1985..... 2,323,185 / 2,252 = .10%
1990..... 2,258,324 / 1,507 = .07%
1995..... 1,661,928 / 1,040 = .06%
2000..... 1,530,430 / .. 758 = .05%
2005..... 1,664,014 / 1,942 = .12%

39 posted on 11/03/2007 9:56:15 AM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: VOA
IIRC, he and his driver were killed instantly in a run-of-the-mill head-on car accident soon after he got to Iraq.

General Patton was killed in an accident.

As you point out, in the military they are not uncommon.

40 posted on 11/03/2007 9:58:33 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: trumandogz

“No. The numbers are meaningless unless you know the number of people in the military each year.”

Each number represents the lives of American service-people. Hardly “meaningless”.

This thread is not about percentages, ratios, or denominators. It’s about the NUMBER of American service-members lost each year.

Even you should be able to grasp that but you seem to have a hard time grasping anything that conflicts with your preconceived notions.


41 posted on 11/03/2007 9:59:21 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: InfantryMarine

Here is a chart that tells the actual death rate in the years that you list.

http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/mildeathcharts.html


42 posted on 11/03/2007 9:59:32 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: InfantryMarine

Great catch. Really puts things in perspective. MSM would never report on this — violates their storyline of soliders as victims instead of heroes.


43 posted on 11/03/2007 10:00:54 AM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: BackInBlack
Really puts things in perspective.

 

bttt 

44 posted on 11/03/2007 10:04:35 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: L98Fiero

Well let’s see. In 1980 .11% of the people in the military died.

And in 2000 .05% of the people in the military died.

By ignoring the population, you have no idea of the “death rate.”


45 posted on 11/03/2007 10:05:56 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: InfantryMarine

A major factor (perhaps THE major factor) is the dramatic improvement in trauma care over the last decade. We are saving many that previously would have been lost.


46 posted on 11/03/2007 10:06:39 AM PDT by Ron/GA
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To: InfantryMarine

Noted! Thank you


47 posted on 11/03/2007 10:06:57 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: burroak

And you know this how?

He was the guy who typed the letters for the officers to sign. He saw just about everything that went on in his unit. So if he was an idiot he misunderstood what he was seeing. Unlikely. If he was full of crap, then he was intentionally lying. Not sure why he would make that kind of stuff up.


48 posted on 11/03/2007 10:11:25 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas; John123
Very interesting. Were these men and women killed in combat or do these numbers also include routine every day accidents?

Many of the fatalities are accidental deaths - vehicle rollovers, falling coke machines, training-related deaths, etc. The NCO who died at Ft. Hood during a LandNav course this summer is a classic example of deaths that occur, as is the Colonel I worked for who died of a heart attack during his morning PT run.

TRADOC (training and doctrine command) was making a full-court press effort at reducing accidental and training deaths the last few years of my service - '90-'96. That should serve to explain part of the drop in numbers in the list above during those years.

It may be interesting to note that many of the OEF/OIF deaths are accidental rather than being combat related.

49 posted on 11/03/2007 10:15:09 AM PDT by HiJinx (Marine to Gen Pace: "Sir, thanks for your service. We’ll take it from here.")
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To: VeniVidiVici; Elsiejay

Just a sidebar...the fellow I mentioned has been nicely memorialized:

Library to be dedicated to fort soldier killed in Iraq
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666205/posts


50 posted on 11/03/2007 10:18:47 AM PDT by VOA
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