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Rove says temporary worker program needed
AP ^ | 02 Nov 2007 | AP

Posted on 11/03/2007 10:24:32 AM PDT by BGHater

ODESSA, Texas (AP) - President Bush's former deputy chief of staff, Karl Rove, says the government will need a temporary worker program to be successful with immigration reform.

Rove said the program is needed reduce pressure on the nation's border security apparatus. But he says the details of such a program haven't been explained to the American public well.

He also says the U.S. Border Patrol will need to be doubled and its budget tripled with 300 miles of fence built.

The comments came yesterday as part of the John Ben Shepperd Public Leadership Institute's Distinguished Lecture Series at the University of Texas of the Permian Basin in Odessa.

About the 2008 presidential race, Rove said he favored the Republican nominee but said Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton could have a chance of winning because she has "a machine around her."


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; guestworkers; immigration; immigrationreform; rove; worker
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To: Perchant
Your hand-made Persian carpet example hits the nail squarely on the head.

We have machinery that can create rugs that look just like it. No need to import millions of children to sit at looms and make handmade versions.

81 posted on 11/03/2007 3:58:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elpadre
No, that's not what unemployment means at all.

The unemployment rate is the number of folks who do not have a job but who have met the requirement of seeking employment in a given prior period.

It's "real unemployment" of people able to work.

At the moment I'm retired and haven't looked for another job. If I decided to look for a job I'd be among the "unemployed".

It's that simple.

As it is there are MILLIONS of retired people who actually would seek out employment at jobs that paid a living wage. If you send the visitors back to their homelands to improve things there, the wages here will rise and you'll end up with millions of additional workers who were formerly retired taking those jobs.

82 posted on 11/03/2007 4:02:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: television is just wrong
I disagree with rove on this. deportations are in order immediately. put all americans to work.

ROFL!! In fact, ROTFLMBO! /s

83 posted on 11/03/2007 4:09:38 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: muawiyah
Your hand-made Persian carpet example hits the nail squarely on the head. We have machinery that can create rugs that look just like it. No need to import millions of children to sit at looms and make handmade versions.

It's not an authentic Persian rug unless I can import tens of thousands of Persians to make the rugs by hand. I think I can keep the cost of the rugs even lower than machine made rugs if I can keep the labor costs low enough. It's my "American Dream" and I need the government to get busy creating a program to make it a reality for me.

84 posted on 11/03/2007 4:14:02 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: Perchant

I think you will have to ship those jobs “offshore” ~ now I know the AFL/CIO/UAW/NAPS/Teamsters are going to complain that “America is losing industrial jobs”, but I think our “child labor laws” really do need to be protected, as do the children!


85 posted on 11/03/2007 4:19:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I think you will have to ship those jobs “offshore” ~ now I know the AFL/CIO/UAW/NAPS/Teamsters are going to complain that “America is losing industrial jobs”, but I think our “child labor laws” really do need to be protected, as do the children!

but...but...think of the economic growth that my authentic Persian Rug business would bring to the USA! Don't crush my American dream!

I don't intend to import children to do the work, just elderly Persians who can have their paychecks subsidized by the social security checks they will be receiving.

86 posted on 11/03/2007 4:32:13 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: Perchant
Hmmm, well, in that case the only additional cost is going to be for your part of their bottom end medical insurance plan at your rug factory ~ you know the one, where they pay half their salary for the insurance deal you were able to negotiate, and they get to keep the other half.

That should be enough, particularly if some of them supplement their income by mowing lawns.

You'll probably need 500,000 or so entry visas won't you?

Canton, Ohio has some empty buildings downtown ~ maybe another entrepreneur could convert them to undocumented immigrant housing.

87 posted on 11/03/2007 4:37:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes, it was Rove who encouraged Bush (not that he needed much encouragement!) to support comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty!) because he cynically calculated that America’s fastest growing ethnic group was Hispanics and his strategy was to pander to them for their votes. What a profile in courage! A few more ‘geniuses’ like that and there won’t be a country left in which to hold elections!


88 posted on 11/03/2007 4:47:20 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Perdogg

I think all that is reasonable. The objections come from the states and cities.

I think we need a GOOD guest-worker program: that is, screening and the provision for a large quota from countries that are our friends (Mexico, Colombia, etc.), the ability to go home (which most guest workers want), restrictions on people from Muslim countries (because they are not trustworthy).

Most Spanish-speaking guest workers learn enough English to get by, but I think there should be more ESL programs available, and that for particular things - drivers licenses and voting, for example - a certain level of knowledge of English should be mandatory.

I travel a lot in Spanish speaking countries, and believe me, if you can’t speak Spanish, you’re out of luck. So the US should also require that everybody here who wants to participate in certain activities have a basic knowledge of English.

I don’t mind emergency signs and similar things in Spanish, because it is normal for a country bordered by a country that speaks a different language to have signs in both languages. But I don’t like the idea that somebody could live here all their lives and vote without speaking English.

There was a famous joke about two old Russian ladies boarding a bus in San Francisco (which used to have a large Russian population from the Old World). The driver asks them for the fare in English, and one of them says to the other, “Imagine, we have been here 20 years and still they do not speak Russian!” So this is a common problem.


89 posted on 11/03/2007 4:47:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
We really don't need any additional Columbians or Mexicans. In fact, we've probably oversubscribed. However, I can get you man for man, woman for woman, an Indian or a Pakistani with a graduate degree willing to do any job any Mexican or Columbian can do, and for less pay.

They already speak English.

90 posted on 11/03/2007 4:50:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat
Just don’t see how jorge makes it without rove, guess he has someone else hold the toilet tissue now.

what a brilliant reply (sarc)

91 posted on 11/03/2007 4:58:09 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Perdogg
some would argue the same. The devils are in the details. I have no trouble with temporary workers if: 1) We know who you are 2) We know where you are living 3) We know what you are doing 4) You are not voting or breaking the law.

Most intelligent Americans would agree with you...

92 posted on 11/03/2007 5:00:15 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: muawiyah

Well, if they’re Christians or Hindus, that would be fine. I don’t think we need any more Muslims, though.

The problem is that what we need in the US are people who do basic labor, and I don’t think most Indians do construction work. Mexicans and Colombians work very hard, as do Brazilians, because they want to save their money, go home, buy a tiny bodega, and then spend the rest of their lives in the grocery business in their town. The problem is that their countries are such hell-holes that they can never go home (although Colombia has improved enormously - but now we’re getting Venezuelans!).

I have a family member in the construction business and his complaint about these workers is not that they come here and stay, but that they come here, work hard - and then go home as soon as they have enough money.

Logically, because the US is next door to Latin America and because our need is for laborers, the majority of our immigration will be from these countries. But we also have a protectionist mentality, so jobs for more educated workers are usually not available to people from other places. I had a teacher friend from England who couldn’t get a work permit here because she might take work from US teachers!


93 posted on 11/03/2007 5:01:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: All

Rove is the most overrated politico in the last 20 years.

It is so amazingly clear and simple - what the American people want on immigration reform.


94 posted on 11/03/2007 5:02:08 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: livius

Robotics will eventually take over the need for laborers. It’s already quite noticeable to third-world types that America eliminated most of the personal servant class by mechanizing the kitchen and putting hydraulic pistons on automobile trunklids.


95 posted on 11/03/2007 5:07:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BGHater

we HAVE a temporary worker program.

Rove wants a path to citizenship temporary worker program. THAT is a greencard.

Sounds like Rove was talking to Trent Lott.


96 posted on 11/03/2007 5:16:29 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
what a brilliant reply (sarc)
Thank you very much!
97 posted on 11/03/2007 5:23:58 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: muawiyah

AFL/CIO/UAW/NAPS/Teamsters

What a joke. These illegals have moved up the food chain from the Ag business to jobs these AFL/CIO/UAW/NAPS/Teamsters members do.

We have 20 MILLION illegals here. Where do you think most of them started?
In the ag business.

Send them back to the Ag business or send them back to Metico.


98 posted on 11/03/2007 10:53:42 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Now that he is gone”

The point is he IS GONE. RETIRED. The next point is why is he gone and why is he retired.

The answer is he and Bush destroyed the conservative movement. And he’s not coming back. And thats a good thing.


99 posted on 11/03/2007 10:57:16 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: oldbill

“Are you serious? In 2004 Karl Rove turned what should have been a landslide victory of a war-fighting President over a dilettante moron traitor into a near loss.”

Right on!. Al Gore should have been crushed, running on the Clinto/Gore/Hillary years.


100 posted on 11/03/2007 10:58:53 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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