Posted on 11/04/2007 5:42:45 AM PST by libstripper
Arafat was invited by the UN and allowed into this country by the US State Department.
Facts are such an annoying thing when they interfere with your point of view.
Ronald Reagan was a man of principles. This is something the liberal wing of the current GOP just doesn’t understand, specifically the Rudy Giuliani people. You just cannot understand why people are going to vote against him because of moral principles. You know why? Giuliani has none!!
As far as cleaning up after his actions goes; the truth is that everyone shut up when faced with his principled stand. And you base this gem of knowledge on what you read in the newspapers?!?!?!?! Great source for your view of what was going on in NYC at the time. Might I ask where did you live/work when all of this was happening?
Which means we need to look at what Reagan actually said:
Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?
A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.
He was the right man for his time and his time has come and gone.
Only for people like you who have always abhorred conservatism.
It is time to deal in the reality of the present moment and do our best to elect a republican, even if flawed in certain areas.
No, it is time to nominate and elect a conservative. A liberal like Rooty will NEVER get elected because the majority of liberals vote for the 'Rats. I can hardly imagine what you and the other Rooty Rooters would be saying if Hitlery had an "R" after her name.
I am not trying to read your thoughts. I am trying to understand your words.
BTW, I have been here since the mid 90’s. I was here before Monica. My son, a flaming liberal at the time going to American University in DC turned me on to this site. I used a different name back them.
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth....
It was not an official US policy issue. Arafat’s escort back to his host embassy violated no official US or diplomatic protocol. Look it up. As much as you want to make this more than it was, Rudy broke no laws. You cannot alter the facts to support your fantasies/wishes.
You know that if he did step overt any official line, he would have been condemned in the UN, in the State Department, in the Senate, in the Congress, or somewhere. There was just a general grousing that Rudy didn’t play the liberal Political Correct patsy like all of our “leaders?” did.
Hildy, I'm not sure these people are really conservatives.
So you are denying that Arafat had diplomatic credentials recognized by the United States?
You know that if he did step overt any official line, he would have been condemned in the UN, in the State Department, in the Senate, in the Congress, or somewhere.
He was.
Count me as one of them, I have not seen the same fire and desire to win in any other Republican candidate. It will take this fire and this desire to win to defeat hillary.
“Only for people like you who have always abhorred conservatism.”
You are attempting to do what Tommy accused me of doing (reading someone’s thoughts). In these last postings, I am arguing facts of a man’s actions against the emotions of those who can’t see any credit or leadership in what he has done. Might I ask if the standard battle of emotion vs. facts isn’t the typical liberal (emotion) vs. the Conservative (truth)?
I come to the political sparing match in the hope of positive arguments against positive arguments supported by facts. What I see is impassioned projecting of one’s feelings against topics. I see the arguments going from refuting the facts as stated (and which are easily verifiable) with mind reading, passionate emotions and every other distraction imaginable; other than counter facts. The debate has significantly degraded into a democrat/liberal/RINO/conservative scrum. I am still waiting to be convinced in what I should believe in as opposed to. I need to address other issues at this point in the day. I take leave of this lively if not too informative discussion. Please continue to scream and howl among yourselves
Then answer my previous question.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920764/posts?page=99#99
Do you believe that mayors have the authority to detain foreign diplomats without cause?
OK. One last post. You are woefully uninformed in your history. Arafat was allowed into this country to make a speech at the UN. He was not a guest of the US. He was guest of the UN. I am truly sorry I missed it, but what official reprimand from what official organization did Rudy get? Did the NY Times issue an official reprimand? Can you send me the URL with the story of the reprimand?? NO! All you got was a spokesman from this or that government wonk say he/she was upset by Rudy’s actions. The truth is that every petty thug had cause to have second thoughts as to how they might be humiliated by New York’s Mayor.
For all of you who think they know their history, you see Arafat with his little sidearm. Why wasn’t he arrested for a handgun violation?? Wasn’t he breaking the law?? He did have diplomatic immunity for that discretion. He did not have diplomatic permission to wander the streets of New York. Now; the $64,000 question. Arafat had his gun. Did he have any bullets for the sidearm? Do some research before you answer.
Again, do you believe that mayors have the authority to detain foreign diplomats without cause?
This is a very simple YES or NO question, there is no need for a bunch of Rooty Rooter talking points.
Please stop posting these non-questions. Rudy did not detain Arafat. Do I think that Rudy has the right to safeguard the people of New York against terrorists (Which was the initial premise of this thread) is more of the question. My answer to that is, yes. You are making spurious accusations about “detaining”, “Official Foreign Policy violations”, “official condemnations” and oh so many other terms that have no foundation in fact. Please calm down and think before you have any more emotional (non-factual) such outbursts. I will answer any and ALL questions based on facts as I can verify them. I don’t do intimidation, nor do I do emotion.
I never said that I was convinced that Rudy was my final decision as far as my choice for the Republican standard-bearer. I came here to hear arguments FOR other candidates. I am not trying to get into a pi$$ing contest with anyone. I am a firm believer in an open debate based on FACTS.
If you want to continue these meaningless questions that are totally off topic of leadership Rudy did or didn’t show, then rant away. I have a personal obligation that far out weighs your pointless arguments.
LOL. Talk about revisionism!
As to me, in late 1995, I was working in several cities, including NY.
Would you have felt that Rudy was taking a “principled stand” if he decided to oust the Chinese, or the Syrians, or ???
It was a publicity stunt, as is most of Rudy’s grandstanding.
Hello? I did not say differently.
Do I think that Rudy has the right to safeguard the people of New York against terrorists
Okay, let's look at that. The first WTC bombing was February 26, 1993 and it became apparent at that time that there was a major problem with evacuation. Rooty Toot took office in January, 1994 and had over seven and a half years to develop an evacuation plan -- HE NEVER TOOK ANY STEPS TO DO THIS. The result was an untold number of preventable deaths.
How's that for safeguarding the people of New York against terrorists.
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