Posted on 11/04/2007 5:42:45 AM PST by libstripper
And that will get the same results as the last time it happened, A Clinton in the White house. But , hey we got rid of that Rino George Bush. And look at the great results it begot.
Darn, I clinked on this thread hoping to see Rooty froot in a Hillary style pants suit. ;0)
Not my problem. If Republican Party voters want to nominate someone who contrast sharply with it's own party principles and platform, then they'll have to do it without my vote. Because not only will I NOT vote for Rudy, I will NOT vote for any of the other Republican candidates, and there's NO way on God's green Earth I will participate in any of the get-out-the-vote drives and volunteer work for ANY Republican candidate. That includes my local, state, and Congressional races.
You have to remember that Rudy has always been a liberal at heart. He endorsed Cuomo over Pataki. He was endorsed by the Liberal Party of NY. He even stated that Clinton's ideas were similar to his, so when he's attacking Hillary, he's basically criticizing himself. You don't see any conservatives running as Democrats, so why should liberals be allowed to run as Republicans?
Rudy is not leading a majority of those polled! Conservatives DO NOT like him - what you are seeing with him leading in the polls is that the 20 to 30% of support which he has always had from the start, is still with him. He has never been able to get over that mark, because the rest of the party DOES NOT like him.
Right now, conservatives are split into little groups of support for several candidates. As those smaller candidates drop out of the race, their supporters will line up behind - probably Fred Thompson & Mitt Romney. You really don't think they'll line up behind Rudy, do you? Rudy's numbers are stagnant and he will never enjoy the support of the majority of this party.
Conservatives have to start lining up behind one candidate that can win - this is the way to defeat Rudy in the primary - and then to defeat the dems in the general.
Rudy can never defeat Hillary - he doesn't have the numbers.
That’s right we got 911.
Tommy:
For all of your negative points you forget to mention that Rudy was fighting terrorists before 9/11. I remind you of his stand up front leadership when he had Yassar Arafat under embassy arrest. And the refusal to sit down with Castro at a Breakfast event.
Rudy was pilloried by damn near everyone for his set of cajonnes. That is what leadership is. Tell me someone else in the republican field or for that matter in the democrat field that has taken that much of a stand or acted on principle. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose with the negative press.
I want a leader and not of just a party. There are 100 reasons to vote for a candidate and a 100 reasons not to. We all have to weigh the pros and cons and give eight to each. I am not a single issue candidate person. I add into the Leadership trait, the law and order, the courage, and a dozen other facets of a candidate’s character abd Rudy still comes out on top when compared against the others.
It is clear that you have an axe that borders on the obsessive against Rudy. Give me any other evidence of a courageous public act that any of the other candidates has taken against a terrorists, please. We are always making fun of Ms. Clinton for hew dancing around an issue. Rudy took a step to the front with leadership on terrorism.
“why should liberals be allowed to run as Republicans?”
Why shouldn’t they?
The guy can tell a joke to slice and dice. Too funny!
Hey if you don’t like Rudy, don’t vote for him but he is the most articulate street fighter we have.
All you that ask why we don’t fight back, take a look at someone who does.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Why must a “Conservative” be an absolute on a single issue and not allow for degrees and shades? I just don’t get it. If we can have “conservative democrats”, “fiscal conservatives”, “social democrats”, “southern democrats” that vote republican, etc, why do we need a purist Conservative that satisfies a single constituency?
How does that make sense or win elections?
Your analysis is deeply flawed and disturbingly biased.
Because conservatives will never vote for liberal Republicans and real liberals will just vote for the Dem.
It's not just abortion that Rudy is liberal on. Sheesh have you guys ever looked at his entire record? Even fiscally he's not a conservative. Rudy is a liberal through and through.
Get reak, Rudy is a Democrat. That's why the liberal press is pushing him.
People have to realize that all politcal parties have to include people with many views on different issues, or be steamrolled. Otherwise we end up like we did in Illinois with a "true" conservative running for Senate, who got steamrolled 74 24.
With the exception of Ron Paul, I believe EVERY SINGLE other Republican candidate would be just as tough on terrorism as Rudy says he would be. It’s the other stuff that we can’t abide by - so we’re not “one-issue” voters, there are many other issues we have with this liberal candidate.
Your arguments are tired and old, but it is a free country - and you are certainly free to support who you wish. It’s admirable that you are so loyal to your candidate, I just don’t think it’s doing our party any favors. He’s a divisive candidate and will alienate many voters. It just doesn’t sound like a winning stretegy to me.
“I believe EVERY SINGLE other Republican candidate would be just as tough on terrorism “
I do not doubt your beliefe. All I’m saying is that Rudy has demonstrated his leadership. I seem to be the only one counting on evidence while everyone is dismissing either his demonstrated leadership (ALA Churchill)on 9/11 or dismissing it as his only evidence of leadership. To ignore what specifically he has done and to then judge him against the others with their lack of evidence of leadership is a specious premise.
People can say what they want about Rudy, he’s not afraid to fight. How could a Conservative ever get elected in NYC??
Pray for W and Our Troops
His stance on terrorism isn’t enough to clench it for me. His other stances are what kills it for me. He is not the right candidate for our party. Two parties are supposed to be different from each other, not nearly the same. The whole point is to give the voter a clear choice & to keep one ideology from taking over because there is no opposing viewpoint.
The GOP is becoming more like the dems everyday - this is not a trend that I like. If it keeps going this way - I & many, many more people like myself - will no longer have a reason to be a Republican. It may take awhile, but it will give rise to another party gaining strength & power.
(Long sigh.....) - I guess sooner or later, all parties fade away. I don’t know anyone who is a Whig these days. The “Grand Old Party” just isn’t that grand anymore, I’m sorry to say.
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This is getting tiresome. Rudy will not win in the primaries. He serves a very usefull purpose in exposing The Beast. Let him continue doing what he’s good at.
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