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Here is some interesting trivia about China
Seeking Alpha.com ^ | 31 October 2007 | Staff

Posted on 11/04/2007 2:02:22 PM PST by shrinkermd

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To: montag813
If we use the Democrat Party guidelines, the U.S. is closer to 90%.

Until January 20, 2009 if they win the election - then it immediately drops to zero along with homelessness.

21 posted on 11/04/2007 4:36:24 PM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Always Right

The literacy claim is absurd. If you understand what is required to learn to read and write Chinese, you realize that a huge percentage of the population doesn’t have the natural memory required to be anything more than semiliterate (no population does, for that matter). Moreover, away from the cities, the rural poverty is quite extreme, and the amount of time people have for memorizing characters is not great even if there is a teacher.

My sons read and write Chinese - we know the effort and the ability involved to achieve a reasonable degree of literacy.


22 posted on 11/04/2007 4:39:23 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Steely Tom
Only about 10% of China's total land area is arable. China must feed 21% of the world's population using about 7% of the world's arable land. The amount of arable land in China actually decreased during the 1980's, as cropland was appropriated for new rural housing and urban expansion.

Sounds like they'll need to import our food as much as they'll need us to buy their cheap exports for the forseeable future.

23 posted on 11/04/2007 4:41:25 PM PST by montag813
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To: achilles2000
My sons read and write Chinese - we know the effort and the ability involved to achieve a reasonable degree of literacy.

Are you Chinese? Would you recommend I have my young children learn Mandarin? Opinions vary on this.

24 posted on 11/04/2007 4:43:38 PM PST by montag813
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To: shrinkermd
The poverty rate went from 53% in 1981 to 8% in 2001.

Wow! Those 800 million peasants in the rural area are all middle class now. Gee. Great! What about the tens of millions in the "floating population?" How are they doing?

China's floating population has increased from 70 million of 1993 to 140 million of 2003

Hey! Turn around you guys are going in the wrong direction! Can't you read? Dummies.

25 posted on 11/04/2007 5:04:57 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Steely Tom

Feed Corn.....


26 posted on 11/04/2007 6:19:31 PM PST by scooter1401
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To: Always Right

Well, instead of going up 130% in 2007 and 2008, why not just go up 300-400% in one year, just get it over with? High rates of return like that, indicate that something is grossly undervalued. Seriously, is China undervalued at this point? And while they are importing, exporting, consuming goods, how do we know that their financial underpinnings are actually sound? If the Chinese market is not a bubble, then it is a first of a kind, a marvel, an economic abnormality of the HIGHEST proportions.

Our own Fed, limits growth of our GDP, to avoid these boom busts, because they think a model like China leads to ruin? Maybe our fed should just stimulate our economy, so it grows at 8% a year, for many, many years? They could you know.


27 posted on 11/04/2007 6:27:52 PM PST by Professional
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To: snowsislander; modican

Why is Germany cleaning our clock in exporting?


28 posted on 11/04/2007 6:33:32 PM PST by wideminded
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To: montag813

Would you recommend I have my young children learn Mandarin?


It sure wouldn’t hurt. I’d say if you can influence your children to take up a language Mandarin would be an excellent choice. It’s where the action is and not likely to change anytime soon. What’s happening in China is truly amazing whether you agree with the politics or not. Just the sheer numbers of Chinese with advanced science and engineering degrees is mind boggling. And they’re putting those degrees to work at a frantic pace with a determination to win and control the future. It appears to me that we’re doing all we can do to help them achieve that end. Yes indeed, Mandarin would be an excellent choice.


29 posted on 11/04/2007 6:40:55 PM PST by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: shrinkermd

I think Christianity is growing faster in China than any other country.

The last estimate I saw was 80 to 100 million Christians in China.


30 posted on 11/04/2007 6:49:06 PM PST by ryan71
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To: wideminded
Why is Germany cleaning our clock in exporting?

I think It's because of the untold, the invisible, the not in the headlines,the disliked in the US, the stuff you don't get at Walmart.
Industrial Machinery & Equipment
31 posted on 11/04/2007 7:07:26 PM PST by modican
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To: Syncro
A lot of corn is grown for silage

Silage is generally harvested on corn that hasn't produced all that much in the way of Ears. While I don't know what all farmers do, this is what all the farmers I know did. I know that silage general came from corn that was sorta short growth(like 60 day corn or whatever) and was harvested after 45 days.(something like that)

32 posted on 11/04/2007 7:16:55 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Always Right
And it will do the same in 2007 and 2008.

I just love those "You can't lose, it's a sure thing and money in the bank" pronouncements on stock market bubbles.

33 posted on 11/04/2007 7:21:08 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: Malsua

I imagine you are correct. I was assuming that it was for silage.

For years I have seen corn being harvested when it looks like it has died. I assumed it was for silage as it was just harvested whole.

Maybe they let it dry in the field for cornmeal or popcorn.


34 posted on 11/04/2007 7:22:02 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro
For years I have seen corn being harvested when it looks like it has died. I assumed it was for silage as it was just harvested whole.

Field corn for feed is harvested long after the corn is dead and brown. It gives time for the water to dry out. Silage is green, wet and heavy. Has a very distinct smell too. Tends to mold and can catch fire if not managed properly.

35 posted on 11/04/2007 7:31:54 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Malsua
Well that shows what I know...I thought silage was feed corn.

So what I was seeing is feed corn.

What is silage used for except to blow up silos? (a little humor there)

36 posted on 11/04/2007 7:47:59 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro
What is silage used for except to blow up silos?

Well, my friend's uncle "Chic"(his nick) lost his calf muscle to the silage "blower". Silage is a good mutilator :). I wasn't there, thankfully. He recovered and passed a number of years ago, not due to that injury.

Silage is feed, but not nearly as dense as pure corn. It's green wet stuff for cows to chew on since it's stalks and all. If you feed them corn, it's a few pounds or so per cow...silage..they probably chow 20 pounds per feeding.

I grew up on a farm, but didn't have cows...what I saw however(all my friends were farmers), was that in fields that needed a good liming or after a wheat/oat/soy harvest, the farmers would plant some fast grow corn on the cheap and grind it for silage. Also, when there was a drought during prime grow, some long breeds, like 100+ that won't make it got ground up for silage.

37 posted on 11/04/2007 8:05:49 PM PST by Malsua
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To: montag813

Neither my wife nor I is Chinese. Mandarin is useful, but it requires a very serious commitment. Most children of Chinese here are wasting their time playing at learning Mandarin in Chinese school. Unless you are going to hire a tutor and your children are prepared to work on Mandarin 3 hours a day, I would invest my time and money elsewhere. I also think that it would be difficult to pull this off unless you homeschool. Please bear in mind, my attitude is that having the sort of competence that typically results from taking language classes in school is useless. No language is worth investing time in unless you are serious as a heart-attack about complete fluency. Fluency constitutes an asset. Anything less is useless diletantism.

Our sons have been doing Chinese since infancy. The earlier you start the better.


38 posted on 11/04/2007 8:27:03 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: wideminded
Probably because the German companies make a lot more stuff in Germany. Intel chips may say "Made in Malaysia" and Western Digital hard drives may say "Made in Philippines", even though the basic technology is generally developed stateside. By the same token, German companies may have lower profit margins and lower R&D budgets, since a big chunk of their sales goes towards blue collar Germans who mechanically push buttons for a living. US companies generally keep the high value stuff (R&D and marketing) at home and open factories abroad to keep non-essential costs at a minimum.

Another possibility is that the European markets are much more open to German products, given that Germany is in the EU, and US exports to the EU have to jump through hoops - meaning that it is less troublesome for US companies to open plants in the EU to cater to the EU markets. These sales don't show up as US exports, of course, even though they are sales of products made by US companies. It's kind of like Toyota and Honda sales in the US don't show up as Japanese exports.

39 posted on 11/04/2007 8:42:15 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: shrinkermd
Some good and interesting statistics. Unfortunately, on this board, it will be met mostly with a negative perspective.

Just some additional trivia, for the month of August, China surpassed Germany to become the largest exporter and is expected to be the third largest economy for 2007 in nominal GDP.

Some estimates predict China will have the largest nominal GDP by 2025.

40 posted on 11/05/2007 8:36:16 AM PST by ponder life
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