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What are we doing to stop our beloved Britain being taken over?
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 3rd November 2007

Posted on 11/04/2007 2:07:37 PM PST by Mount Athos

This is too frightening and too important to ignore any longer.

If we don't want to become a neglected outstation of the European Superstate, stripped of our nationhood, powerless to decide who lives here, controlled by laws we don't make and can't change, ruled by a government we cannot throw out, we have rather a short time in which to do something about it.

You may think none of this matters to you, but the trouble is that it does, whether you think so or not.

The European Union is interested in you, your liberty and your money, even if you don't care about it.

Its decisions affect your life, even if you don't realise they do.

When I point out that local councils are changing rubbish collections because of EU laws, people don't believe me.

They rightly think it ridiculous that such things should be affected by what is supposed to be a Free Trade partnership. But they are.

A huge number of our laws have been drawn up in Brussels and hurried through Parliament without anybody really understanding what they were doing.

A lot of us still don't even grasp why it is that we can no longer have nice blue British passports.

They also don't grasp why they have to queue for ages to get back into the country after a holiday.

They aren't paying attention. That passport you have isn't British. It's European. It gives you no more right to enter this country than if you were a Lithuanian.

The border you are crossing is the border of the EU, not Britain. If the Government set up a special channel for UK passport holders it would be breaking EU law. There is no longer any such thing as a British passport.

This has another grim meaning. We cannot control two-thirds of the immigration now revolutionising this country because it comes from EU states.

British people have a way of ignoring the Continent then finding out just in time that what happens there matters – Dunkirk being the most recent example of this complacent folly. We probably won't get another Dunkirk to warn us.

By the time it is clear to everyone what has happened, it will be far too late.

Look at the row we are having, a rather lukewarm row in my view, about the European Constitution, dressed up as the Treaty of Lisbon but still what it always was – the official foundation document of the European Superstate.

At first it looks as if there are two sides, those for a referendum, and those against.

But what use would a referendum be? Who seriously believes that, if Britain said "No", the EU would say: "Oh, sorry to have troubled you with our silly, over-ambitious idea. We'll give it up for good."?

No, they would threaten and suborn the British Government into holding the vote again.

Or they would have yet another summit in which the thing would be adjusted a tiny bit and presented as if it were new. Or they would say: "Very well then, if you don't like it, why not leave?"

Gordon Brown might hold a referendum on that very subject. At this point we would badly need a major political figure to stand up and say: "Yes, please, let's leave."

He could add: "After all, if Norway and Switzerland can cope outside, we certainly can. And I defy anyone to tell me one single way in which this country has benefited from its long entanglement with this horrible organisation."

But this will not happen. Our entire political elite, in all parties, love the EU, not because it is good for the country, but because it is good for them.

They love its regular service of gravy trains, carrying failed Ministers off to a life of high salaries, big expenses and huge pensions, plus an almost total absence of responsibility.

They don't mind at all that it deprives them of the power to do very much. They are, for the most part, short of ideas and lazy, and happy to be able to pass the buck to Brussels while enjoying their pay and perks. Note, specially, the behaviour of the Tory Party. People sometimes ask why I call them 'useless'. Well, here's an example. You get a lot of something called 'Euroscepticism' from Tories. It's a stupid word and it describes a worthless thing.

They act as if they are against the EU grabbing our power and money, and talk sternly about how they disapprove.

But David Cameron, William Hague and Malcolm Rifkind are clear that, if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified, that will be that. In the (highly unlikely) event of them coming to power, they won't hold a referendum because, oh dear, it will be too late.

In doing this, they are part of a great tradition. Harold Macmillan first sought British entry to the Common Market in 1962. Then Ted Heath succeeded in getting it, ramming our membership through Parliament with characteristic ruthlessness and sacrificing Britain's fisheries industry for his ambition.

When, in 1975, Harold Wilson held a referendum on staying in, Margaret Thatcher campaigned vigorously for Britain to remain in the Market, sporting a jumper bearing the flags of member states.

When she came to office, she pushed through the Single European Act, a huge surrender of British vetoes. Then she was bludgeoned by Cabinet colleagues into entering the Exchange Rate Mechanism.

By the end of her premiership, she had begun to realise what was at stake. But it was precisely because of this that the Tory Party then threw her out of office.

John Major went on to browbeat and bully his MPs into voting for the Maastricht Treaty, yet another huge surrender of independence.

Mr Cameron represents a firm return to the Europhile days before Lady Thatcher's rebellion.

When it comes to action, the Tory Party will continue to support the EU because they have been committed to it since the Sixties, and cannot admit that this was a mistake.

But they also recognise how unpopular it is, which is why they pretend to be hostile and invented 'Euroscepticism' to console disgruntled voters.

The longer this goes on, the harder it will be to unscramble. My advice is not to be diverted by campaigns for a referendum that will get us nowhere.

It is to consider, very carefully, whether you will be able to look your children and grandchildren in the face when, 20 years hence, they ask: "What did you do to stop the country being taken over by a foreign power?"

I shall continue, week by week, to suggest ways in which you might be able to ensure that they never need to ask that question.


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To: SandRat
Prime Minister Churchill is sobbing, what Mr Hitler and the NAZIs couldn’t do, the Tory Party is doing the 70+ years on conquering Britain for a European power.

Don't you think the Labor Party is more responsible for what is happening?

41 posted on 11/04/2007 4:36:52 PM PST by kabar
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To: Mount Athos
What are we doing to stop our beloved Britain being taken over?

I think that's all pretty close to past tense, now. Britain cannot reverse the tide without a civil war now. France is much more apt to get a handle on this thing. I would not be surprised if the French government starts roundups and detention camps and charters a fleet of ships for mass deportations. England... never.

42 posted on 11/04/2007 4:46:48 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: mamelukesabre
That is that a nation is a groupe of genetically similar people, not a political boundary on a map. In that sense, americans are not a nation and our culture is not a culture. It is a hodgepodge of non-culture.

What water? asked the fish.

I always laugh at Americans who say that the US does not have its own distinct culture. Try living abroad for a while - you'll find out how much of a distinct culture we have then.
43 posted on 11/04/2007 4:50:09 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: kabar

I don’t know about bigger but they do play a huge role in this.


44 posted on 11/04/2007 4:55:46 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Mount Athos
That passport you have isn't British. It's European. It gives you no more right to entry this country than if you were Lithuanian.

Right.

I believe Brits. returning home from abroad are now asked ":What is the purpose of your visit?"

45 posted on 11/04/2007 4:58:16 PM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: E. Cartman; Clemenza
The world's best and brightest may cobble together anything that they wish, but they'll never overcome the force of nationalism. Has any one of them stopped to answer where today are the French, Ottoman, English, Austro-Hungarian and Soviet Empires, as well as the former Yugoslavia? Have they thought about what fractured these artificial entities?

Or still closer to our own time, the failure to thrive of Sub-Saharan African countries used to be most often blamed on their former colonial masters putting together historic enemies (nations) within the same boundaries. And, given the popular outcry of the electorate against CIRA and The DREAM act, I hope our nation's leaders aren't surprised that legitimate citizens of this country are unlikely to ever love illegal aliens to whom they grant McCitizenship

In the end, whatever they cobble together will be driven apart by the centrifugal forces of nationalism, leaving a neo-feudal society or contiguous ethnic diaspora in place of a once great nation. In the end everything finally yields to culture and nationalism. History proves it every time.


It's very true. I remember radio talkshow host, Chuck Harder, always said that whomever is behind the New World Order to unite the world will eventually fail, it will not "be like that Coca Cola commerical where you have people singing on a mountain in perfect harmony." Probably the one uniting thing out there that would get everyone together is a threat from outer space and once that threat is over, provided we win or drive them off, you will have huge splits again on national lines on how to rebuild and restablish the rule of law.

I remember when the U.S. got involved in Bosnia bombing the Serbians. My last name is Serbian origin and my uncle (actually more of a cousin but he is an uncle to me) who shares the same name, said to me in a sad voice, "we are bombing the Homeland" (Serbia). I don't know where most of the United States people stood, whether it is for the Bosnian Moslems or the Serbians but here in Pittsburgh, we have a large Serbian community and most local talkshow callers here were pro-Serb. I remember one CBS newsreport was where a then 19 year old Bosnian Albania immigrant was going over to fight in the war over there, one guy of Serbian descent called KDKA-AM and said he was 50 years old, fought in Vietnam, and was going over to fight for the Serbs and "that 19 year old kid better watch it."

Look at what is happening in Russia now. If I was a Russian citizen somehow down on his luck (I'm part Russian and Russian Jew too) or wishes for the old days of Communism when Russia matter more (I would be old enough to remember the USSR if I lived there, I'm 41), I would be behind Putin all the way, at least in the eyes of some, he wants to re-establish the Soviet Union in a partial sense.

Myself, I'm a Michael Savage, Borders, Language, and Culture guy and if this New World Order stuff is "progress" at the stripping of our rights and identity, then this might be nihilistic of me, but I'd rather see the world succumb to an atomic war and knock us back 200 years before we lose our identity and right to self determination.

Maybe the true future is Balkanisation, with all the illegals entering the U.S., huge divisions of left and right, and whatnot to where you might see the U.S. and other large countries breakup. I could be wrong and I hope that in our case, I am.

Predicitons of the future aside, nationalism is a very powerful force and I do consider myself a nationalist.
46 posted on 11/04/2007 5:06:50 PM PST by Nowhere Man (RIP, Corky, I miss you, little princess!!! (Corky b. 5-12-1989 - d. 9-21-2007))
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To: arthurus
I think that's all pretty close to past tense, now. Britain cannot reverse the tide without a civil war now. France is much more apt to get a handle on this thing. I would not be surprised if the French government starts roundups and detention camps and charters a fleet of ships for mass deportations. England... never.

Well, if you somehow manage to stir up the Soccer Hooligans (I respect them and I do believe they would fight to keep Britain they way she was) into a force, hand out M1 Garands and so on, the country would be in good hands by nightfall. B-) It seems to be a good thing that France is starting to see the light though. With apologies to Michael Savage the talkshow host, he did say quite a bit that the Soccer Hooligan could be Britain's salvation.
47 posted on 11/04/2007 5:15:34 PM PST by Nowhere Man (RIP, Corky, I miss you, little princess!!! (Corky b. 5-12-1989 - d. 9-21-2007))
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To: indylindy
"We are well on the way into this abyss. It appears it will come to pass in much the same way, unless we change who is in charge of our political parties."

I realize it looks like the fault of one or the other political party, but try to understand there are folks who are much more powerful than the leaders of political parties. Understanding this much will help us get a handle on the problem.

"The two frontrunners for 2008 at this time, R And D , will keep sending us in this direction for the same reasons the author of this piece states."

Exactly so! We see that the politicians, or most of them anyway, are nothing more than tools.

"How very depressing."

It is, but it doesn't need to be depressing if we concentrate on fixing the problem. Steady positive progress will improve everyone's outlook.

48 posted on 11/04/2007 5:16:59 PM PST by Designer
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To: snugs

ping


49 posted on 11/04/2007 5:18:29 PM PST by Designer
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To: fr_freak
I was told by international students that america is bland...fast food, drive through banks, chain grocery stores, and quickie marts. It sounds to me like they got a point.

I’ve been to northern mexico. Does that count? It seems about the same as texas or arizona except the people are poorer and they speak even less english and they like to convert old cars into pickup trucks. But otherwise they seem like southwestern cowboys but with darker complexions.

50 posted on 11/04/2007 5:21:45 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: sodpoodle
The closest on either side of the pond to a Churchill is Duncan Hunter, but sadly he does not have the Great Man's gift of oratory.
51 posted on 11/04/2007 5:27:56 PM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: arthurus
That is true. If a definite and serious threat to La Belle France arises, they will do just about anything to wipe it out, it won't be pretty.
52 posted on 11/04/2007 5:31:11 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Mount Athos

“What are we doing to stop our beloved Britain being taken over?”

Nothing.

You aid the invader and there is no hope for you.

None.

And you die by your own hand, a pathetic suicide.


53 posted on 11/04/2007 5:34:09 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I am a proud anti-invasion racist!)
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To: Churchillspirit

Ah yes, the Gift;)

Churchill spoke from the heart - not the mouth. He also had an appreciation for the English language, witness his book - History of the English-Speaking Peoples.

He considered language and its expression - as a sword and shield against the hordes of Barbarians.

How we yearn for another hairy, cigar chompin’, obstinate, articulate, freedom loving b*rst*rd to lead us out of this morass!


54 posted on 11/04/2007 5:49:56 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Joy - God's redemption.)
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To: Designer

I understand exactly who is behind the political parties. They are one and the same.

I myself, think it may already be too late. FReepers are informed, so are many others who choose to see what is happening....but, look at the masses of people who have no idea, are too busy wanting free stuff, have their noses in tabloid news, and rarely pay attention. Believe me, they are all over the place in great numbers, dumbed down and not caring about much of anything.

Add in the soon to be takeover of our culture and actual land by illegal immigration. I know we are trying to fight it. I also know our government no longer cares to follow the will of the people. This is exactly what is described in this article.

As we speak our POTUS has been working behind the scenes signing deals with Mexico and Canada. All of this will work to hand over our sovereignty.

Border fence? Ha. How much more has been built lately? If the US government has it’s way, it will never be finished because they don’t intend to have borders.


55 posted on 11/04/2007 5:50:41 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Mount Athos

All the members of the EU parliament are named Chamberlain, Quisling, and Arnold.


56 posted on 11/04/2007 5:51:15 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: SandRat; Mount Athos
Britain and America won the battles of WWII.
The National Socialists are winning the War.
Thanks to the Labour and Democratic Parties.

57 posted on 11/04/2007 6:23:47 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: mamelukesabre

“It is a hodgepodge of non-culture’.

And that is one of the reasons we are a divided nation. A multi-enthic hodgepodge.


58 posted on 11/04/2007 6:38:41 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: mamelukesabre

“It is a hodgepodge of non-culture’.

And that is one of the reasons we are a divided nation. A multi-enthic hodgepodge.


59 posted on 11/04/2007 6:46:29 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Mount Athos
Our entire political elite, in all parties, love the EU, not because it is good for the country, but because it is good for them.

Cha-CHING!
60 posted on 11/04/2007 6:51:56 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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