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Giuliani and Gun Control: He was for it before he was against it
The Moderate Voice Blog ^ | 11/04/07 | Nick Rivera

Posted on 11/04/2007 11:19:52 PM PST by Ol' Sparky

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To: mad_as_he$$

It’s a tired argument to point out Giuliani is a gun-grabbing liberal? No, the tired argument is the one that says we have to vote for any old Republican, no matter how liberal, just to keep Hillary out of the White House. That argument is tired and STUPID.


21 posted on 11/05/2007 7:34:44 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: The Dude Abides

So don’t nominate Rudy.


22 posted on 11/05/2007 7:34:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Oh, sorry, you were calling the Rudybots argument tired and lame. And, you’re absolutely right.


23 posted on 11/05/2007 7:37:29 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
You’ll get everything Hillary wants but the pubs will roll right over for it without so much as a whimper.

Exactly.

NY tossed Cuomo out, put in Pataki, and got everything Cuomo wanted and more - precisely because the pubs rolled right over for everything he wanted just because there was an (R) after his name. The NRA supported him "because he wasn't Cuomo", only to end up with arms laws far worse than anything Cuomo could have passed.

Many predict the same with Rudy: he'll sign everything Hillary wants - and more, because he'll garner support just because there's an (R) after his name.

24 posted on 11/05/2007 7:40:06 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Dick Vomer
Giuliani is more like a Judas Goat or a wolf in sheep’s clothing. ;0)
25 posted on 11/05/2007 7:55:53 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: mmanager

Insurance Office Worker in Texas Accidentally Shoots His Legs

November 1, 2007

A 47-year-old man was shot in both legs when he accidentally discharged a handgun while sitting in his cubicle at an insurance office in Fort Worth, Texas, police said.

The man, who hasn’t been publicly identified, had put his .45-caliber gun into his jacket pocket and then draped the jacket over the back of his chair, said Brett McGuire, Lake Worth police chief.

The gun discharged on the morning of Oct. 30 as the man settled into his chair. He said the man must have done something to make the weapon fire.

The bullet passed through both of the man’s legs and a bookcase before lodging in the wall of a cubicle.

McGuire said there was no indication the man had brought the gun to target anyone.

“He wasn’t having problems with his bosses or co-workers that we know of,’’ McGuire said.

McGuire said his department has no record of the man being licensed to carry a concealed weapon. He said detectives would wait until the man, who was taken to a hospital, had recovered before deciding whether to pursue charges.

Information from: Fort Worth Star-Telegram, www.star-telegram.com

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2007/11/01/84698.htm


The idiot will get workers comp coverage I assume!

Yah think he pulled the trigger goofing off? I do.


26 posted on 11/05/2007 8:42:31 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
I'm wondering on type and model of the firearm. There is no such thing as an 'accidental' discharge. It's always an irresponsible discharge.

This happens because the operator is deficient in his understanding of the weapon or inattentive in his handling of the weapon.

Something smells about this story because the gun was in a coat pocket.

27 posted on 11/05/2007 8:52:12 AM PST by Pistolshot ("All you anti-Freds remind me of Wile E. Coyote trying to fool the sheepdog." - Sturm Ruger)
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To: Ol' Sparky
The Rudy is the only one that can beat Hillary argument may be of value in 6 months or so. Too early to surrender for me! And yes I think Rudy is a gun grabber. His recent epiphany is too hard for me to swallow after years of grabbing guns in the real world.
28 posted on 11/05/2007 8:55:19 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I will not vote for him. I’d rather have Hillary. At least we could fight her. If he gets on the MSM and pushes gun control it is all over. The MSM will say SEE A REPUBLICIAN(which he is not) supports gun control. Everyone else is nuts. Yea I can see it now. NO WAY GULLIANI. You are a liar.


29 posted on 11/05/2007 9:03:49 AM PST by therut
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To: therut

Plus he is lying by saying gun control helped control crime in NYC. It did not and he is not fit to be President if he believe it did.


30 posted on 11/05/2007 9:07:02 AM PST by therut
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To: Ol' Sparky

He’s still an open border gun grabber. I don’t believe a word he says.....today.


34 posted on 11/05/2007 2:14:01 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

I lived in Manhattan from 84 to 90. Because of the Sullivan Laws, when I moved in I put my 38 special in a safety deposit box.

Crack crime escalated. For the last two years, I packed my piece everywhere - had to pull it twice against muggers. Women shriek and the bad guys run away.

The point is that you cold risk your life just by walking in the street. During the last three months, I counted 37 children who news reports said were accidentally killed with guns: behind walls, in cars, standing by a stoop, in baby carriages. Those years were nuts, very real and getting worse. That’s not an experience that most Americans ever have to confront.

I personally wish Rudy could have changed the Sullivan laws, but that wasn’t going to happen. With 2,200 murders every year, he decided to stop it, using everything that he had.

He had a similar problem with the illegals. The federal government wouldn’t kick them out of the country - forget about New York City. There were there and couldn’t be removed. Rudy had to do something. His choice was to provide services rather than let the illegals terrorize an unarmed populace.

Even though I would rather that the Sullivan Laws didn’t exist and that the feds would have handled the aliens, Rudy’s solutions were particularly focused and competent.

If he’ll apply as much tenacity to solving federal issues, he could be one of the best presidents ever. Isn’t it possible that his Supreme Court choices would overturn New York City’s Sullivan Laws?


35 posted on 11/05/2007 6:32:56 PM PST by Psychic Dice (ArtOfPsychicDice.com)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Unfortunately for Giuliani and his supporters, Giuliani’s current “federalist” interpretation of the Second Amendment directly contradicts his gun control record as mayor of New York, a period during which he championed federal gun control laws.

Still can't figure out why this guy is still in the race. His best course of action is VP - for Clinton.

36 posted on 11/07/2007 6:42:01 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: The Dude Abides
Taking your ball and going home = Hillary.

And a Republican revolution the likes of which we've never seen.

She may be the salvation of the GOP.

37 posted on 11/07/2007 6:48:30 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx
You know, that’s an interesting theory.

Did 4 years of Carter = 8 years of Reagan?
Did 4 years of George HW Bush = 8 years of Clinton?
Did 8 years of Clinton = 8 years of W?

Is it worth enduring 8 years of Hillary (!) in exchange for the possibility of a conservative Renaissance afterwords?

And what happens if the Renaissance doesn’t happen? Then we get Hillary’s VP for 8 years.

I prefer to support Rudy. He’s not everything I want, but he’s not Hillary, not by a long shot. And he can beat her.

Robertson’s endorsement today makes a Hillary Presidency less likely.

By the way, if Hillary is not the nominee, I would probably look at someone besides Rudy.

She Must Be Stopped.

38 posted on 11/07/2007 7:25:29 AM PST by The Dude Abides (Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
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To: The Dude Abides
Is it worth enduring 8 years of Hillary (!)

No way she's reelected.

No way.

The GOP needs to find a voice, but quick.

Thompson should be it, but he needs to start making real progress.

39 posted on 11/07/2007 8:56:45 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: The Dude Abides
Is it worth enduring 8 years of Hillary (!) in exchange for the possibility of a conservative Renaissance afterwords?

If many people who would consider supporting Rudy instead gave their support to Republicans who faced close House and Senate races, I would think they might help swing a couple of those races in our direction. Given a choice between Rudy and a thoroughly-Democrat Congress, or Hillary with a divided Congress, I would tend to think the latter would be safer.

40 posted on 11/10/2007 5:35:22 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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