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Hollywood writers strike as talks fail (Dinosaur Media DeathWatchâ„¢)
Los Angeles Times ^ | November 5, 2007 | Richard Verrier and Claudia Eller

Posted on 11/05/2007 1:23:49 AM PST by abb

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To: abb
A Seinfeld rerun that I’ve seen before is better than most new material I’ve seen. House and The Closer are pretty good. Brit mysteries and cop shows are far superior to any our writers achieve.
61 posted on 11/05/2007 6:37:58 AM PST by GregoryFul (is a bear a bomb in a bull?)
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To: durasell
There really is no analogy. The arts, such as they are

No offense, but a writer that is an employee is no different than a janitor thats an employee in my book. You do what you were hired for and you get money for said services. Case closed.

62 posted on 11/05/2007 6:43:59 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper

I’m not a TV writer, but I know a lot of them. So you can’t offend me.

You’re describing the old studio system, which fell apart under its own weight. It was just too expensive to keep the writers and actors on the payroll. Also comic books back in the day worked that way. Note: one of the guys who created Superman was living on welfare and blind from diabetes during his last years. The comic book company was shamed into paying him a small stipend after a series of news stories on TV.

The model isn’t the janitor, but the book writer who receives a royalty for each book sold.

By the way, this is how Bill Gates got rich. He turned down IBM’s offer of a relatively large flat fee for DOS and settled for a lesser amount plus royalties for each copy sold and the right to sell DOS to other companies. He treated software as intellectual property and not product.


63 posted on 11/05/2007 6:51:36 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: MrPiper

p.s. — The studios and production companies prefer the residual arrangement. Their upfront risk is less under the arrangement. In effect, they are sharing the risk with the writers. If the TV show or movie is a success, then the writers take a cut of the eventual profits. If it fails, then the producers haven’t risked a great deal of money. Otherwise they’d end up paying millions of dollars for each script and not know if the show will be a success.


64 posted on 11/05/2007 6:58:07 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: laotzu

That is my thinking as well. These writers are compensated for the work they turn in already. They simply want what unions always want, more, more, more. The argument of continuing entitlement means that all workers who produce a product that is used and reused should also get continuing benefits for their initial efforts. I hope that this strike continues thru the coming political season because even the few shows I watch are increasingly inserting sly digs at Republicans, and overtly promoting socialist agendas. They are doing their bit to further the propaganda of global warming and America in crisis over just about anything. Maybe it is not only the writers at fault, but the strike might shake up the whole entertainment industry enough to get some talented people back in to replace the political socialist agenda driven hacks that now apparently dominate the business.


65 posted on 11/05/2007 6:58:30 AM PST by mountainfolk (God bless President Bush)
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To: mountainfolk

The writer’s union isn’t a “normal” union. Other unions should take a clue from them.


66 posted on 11/05/2007 7:01:27 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: GregoryFul
A Seinfeld rerun that I’ve seen before is better than most new material I’ve seen.

Except for Seinfeld's finale when returning cocreator David turns spiteful, unforgiving moralist, making Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer pay for all their years of ''selfishness, self-absorption, immaturity, and greed.'' Seinfeld: The Lost Episode arguably does a better job of meeting audience expectations for a Seinfeld finale by mocking the show's most sacred cow - the show itself.

67 posted on 11/05/2007 7:02:32 AM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: durasell
The FAA Air Traffic Controllers thought they were special too. You remember where it got them. Replaced. I hope that happens to this crowd. It should not be difficult, a lot easier that replacing ATC. Everyone needs to think they are special, but in reality, they are not. Also, book writers are not employees, all that labor is uncompensated if the books does not sell.

I don't disagree with you about film writers, they are like book writers. If it does not sell, no compensation. However, a writer that is employed to write gets paid regardless if the shows flops or not. Big difference.

68 posted on 11/05/2007 7:16:34 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper

We’ll see. I don’t think the production companies want to hire a bunch of “staff writers” who want actor-sized salaries in lieu of residuals down the road. That would drive production costs through the roof.


69 posted on 11/05/2007 7:29:43 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: LynnHam

Don’t you love all of those old Gene Autry and John Wayne movies on the Western Channel? Hallmark is another favorite. Who needs new shows? I like the old ones just fine!


70 posted on 11/05/2007 8:15:17 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: abb
You think short ‘funny’ home videos on YouTube are equal to cinematic art?
71 posted on 11/05/2007 8:18:42 AM PST by Borges
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To: Berosus

“This IS the show, and we’re NOT changing it.” — George Costanza


72 posted on 11/05/2007 8:18:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bert
Senator McCarthy was right.. Hollywood is a leftist/socialist sewer..... always has been always will be

Horse Puckey. The American cinema is one of this country's greatest cultural achievements. And Senator McCarthy made no mention of Hollywood at all.
73 posted on 11/05/2007 8:21:12 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

You think short ‘funny’ home videos on YouTube are equal to cinematic art?


You have obviously never seen a Pauly Shore movie. May I suggest BioDome.


74 posted on 11/05/2007 8:22:13 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: abb

“Once it starts, it’s going to get ugly,”

What, are they going to puncture “scab” tires with Bic ballpoint pens? Make jackrocks out of those little golf course pencils? Misspell words on their picket signs? There’s nothing quite as scary as a unionized television writer :-)


75 posted on 11/05/2007 8:26:24 AM PST by ushr435
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To: MrPiper

Some companies I have worked for required new employees to sign an agreement giving all inventions to the company. There was even a hold put on the ex employee if he quit the job. I think that hold was for 5 years or so.

Can someone tell me why there is such a long credit list at the end of movies. I don’t really care who the bathroom attendant was.


76 posted on 11/05/2007 9:16:40 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: abb

Look at all these Greedy HollyWhacked Commies. Who would have thought they only thought about $$$.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


77 posted on 11/05/2007 9:20:29 AM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: abb
New circulation numbers out

E&Plink

78 posted on 11/05/2007 9:21:09 AM PST by MovementConservative (Terminate the Duke 88)
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To: Mo1
Will anyone really notice they are on strike

If the MSM journalists went on strike nothing would happen at all anywhere in the world.

79 posted on 11/05/2007 9:21:41 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RayChuang88
"I can pass my time watching stuff on History Channel, Discovery Channel and ESPN/ESPN2."

It would be nice if History Channel started included some actual history shows. Although Modern Marvels is not bad, that's virtually all they show anymore. Or other non history related shows like "human weapon". It used to be my favorite channel but I rarely watch it anymore.

80 posted on 11/05/2007 9:27:37 AM PST by joebuck
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