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For Thompson And McCain, It's Too Little Too Late
GOPUSA ^ | November 6, 2007 | By Doug Patton

Posted on 11/06/2007 7:05:11 AM PST by Calpernia

U. S. Sen. John McCain, R-AZ, has spent the better part of the last decade running for president. He actively sought the office in 2000 and lost handily to George W. Bush. Since that time, he has done everything he could think of to antagonize the base of his own party.

Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-TN, acts as if the thought of running for president just occurred to him five minutes ago. Some days he acts as though it still hasn't occurred to him.

For very different reasons, these two men, with their totally different approaches to politics, have probably slammed the door on their chances for winning the Republican presidential nomination.

In 2000, McCain was the darling of the mainstream media. Back in those days, he was the anti-Bush, which appealed to them. This year his worldview is anathema to theirs because he has unapologetically defended "Bush's war."

But McCain's unpopularity within his party stems from two other issues: illegal immigration and campaign finance reform.

On immigration, McCain seems to have learned his lesson. In what radio host and bestselling author Laura Ingraham would call a "Power to the People moment," McCain (along with a lot of other members of Congress), has gotten the message loud and clear: border enforcement first.

"I understand why you would call it a, quote, shift," McCain said to reporters after being grilled by voters in South Carolina. "I say it is a lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are. And their priority is to secure the borders."

Too bad it took a meltdown of the congressional phone lines last June to convince the senator of the common sense of the American people. Until he saw his poll numbers sink to single digits, McCain seemed absolutely oblivious to - nay, defiant of - the people's will. Nevertheless, those of us who have been incredulous to the deafness of the president and far too many members of Congress on this issue welcome Sen. McCain into the bright light of reason on this issue.

While "comprehensive immigration reform" (better known as "amnesty"), is dead, the legislation for which John McCain is best known is still alive and festering within our political system. The McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill passed by Congress and signed into law by the president will be haunting us for years, despite the fact that the Supreme Court has struck down certain provisions of the law. For that reason, it has left the base of the Republican Party with a permanent bad taste for McCain's brand of politics.

Fred Thompson's alienation from the GOP activists who comprise the nominating block of the party is much more recent. In fact, it unfolds like a wet blanket of sad disappointment day by day. Desperately seeking a candidate to rally around, social conservatives keep waiting for Fred Thompson to show them p something.

His recent underwhelming performance on "Meet the Press" did not help. Asked about his positions on abortion and same-sex marriage, Thompson, who has a respectable record on both issues, managed to flub his answer. He told host Tim Russert he opposes to an amendment to the U.S. Constitution on either issue, preferring to leave these two crucial social issues to the individual states. As Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family has pointed out, Thompson endorses the idea of fifty different definitions of marriage. The same is true, it seems, on the definition of life, since Thompson simply wants to see Roe v. Wade overturned and the issue returned to the states.

In addition, Thompson seemed muddled and indecisive about his opinion on water boarding as a technique for dealing with terrorist detainees.

With less than two months remaining until the Iowa caucuses, it is likely that Fred Thompson and John McCain will both continue to decline in the polls, while former Governors Mitt Romney (Massachusetts) and Mike Huckabee (Arkansas) will continue to gain on the current frontrunner, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. So be it.

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Doug Patton is a freelance columnist who has served as a political speechwriter and public policy advisor. His weekly columns are published in newspapers across the country and on selected Internet web sites, including Human Events Online, TheConservativeVoice.com and GOPUSA.com, where he is a senior writer and state editor.


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KEYWORDS: axisofdesperation; fredthompson; gopusa; johnmccain; mcain; medialies; postcardfromoblivion
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Who you for? Okay, then answer this, who do you think is going to win?

On the Republican side, anyone but McCain. I'm probably voting in the primaries for Duncan Hunter, but I learned years ago not to make predictions about who is going to win.

121 posted on 11/06/2007 8:59:55 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Calpernia

I’m not hanging up my hat on Thompson yet. In fact, I’m more encouraged than ever.


122 posted on 11/06/2007 9:00:25 AM PST by hoe_cake
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To: trisham

Then why don’t you alert the moderators? They scripted it so no one could vote twice. If you think it has been hacked in someway, don’t you think they would want to know? I would want to know if any of my sites were hacked.


123 posted on 11/06/2007 9:01:58 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Owen

“So let’s just let the pressures and gaffes from all the candidates accumulate and see which is best able to manage an organization and therefore a campaign — and win. None of us are going to be voting FOR anyone in the general election. We’ll be voting to deny power to she who we would hate the most.”

Well said! Thank you.


124 posted on 11/06/2007 9:02:21 AM PST by hoe_cake
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To: demshateGod

I know what you mean. I have a 74 year old retired Reserve officer as a deacon in my Baptist church who sounds like he’s gonna vote for Hitlery. I still haven’t figured out when he lost his mind. Go figure.


125 posted on 11/06/2007 9:02:27 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Calpernia

I’m confident that the Mods are up on it. Seems to me that they’re doing just fine taking care of this site.


126 posted on 11/06/2007 9:03:58 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: George W. Bush

“Fine. Join the stay-at-home conservatives”
I wont be staying home, I just won’t vote for any Liberals, or Selective Federalists. There are other important things on the ballot. I live in Tulsa and there’s always some new tax increase to vote down.


127 posted on 11/06/2007 9:04:36 AM PST by demshateGod (Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: Calpernia

Give me a friggin break.

I’m so SURE the public in general, or even tacitly, believes John McCain, POW McCain, POW McCain who refused to leave Hanoi Hilton on a priviledge release offer, is hiding valuable info on getting 2,500 missing soldiers back, by destroying it. Have you lost your mind?

Seen the mpegs of helos dropping bombs on top of the WTC on 9/11 lately? DOO doo, DOO doo, DOO doo, DOO doo. Danger Will Robinson, Danger!


128 posted on 11/06/2007 9:05:10 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: ravingnutter

Fred is polling second nationally yet they run this claptrap. I’d expect something better from an outfit that touts themselves as a major conservative newsource.

I just canceled my online GOPUSA subscription this morning. Seriously.


129 posted on 11/06/2007 9:07:26 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Fred '08 Because our troops DESERVE BETTER than Mrs. Bill Clinton.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

What if, and I say “if”, McCain came out and said:

‘by gosh, I was an idiot on immigration and honestly believed america was ready for some type of amnesty bill. now I know different and this issue is off the table. I will now focus all my immigration efforts on border security and removing those illegals that threaten our countries medical and financial health.’

What would you say then? Or are there other specific issues you don’t like? Now I’m not talking about anger towards photo ops or statements with/or about Kennedy or HRC, I mean specific issues that are not “conservative.”


130 posted on 11/06/2007 9:08:59 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Dixie Yooper

Do you believe that if Duncan Hunter was given a fair shake by the conservatives, he would come out head and shoulders above the rest, and that is why he is leading?

What if, at the end of the primary day, Guiliani and Hunter are the last ones standing. Polls show that only Guiliani can beat Hillary, by a 3-1 margin over Hunter. Who are you going to vote for? (we are just goofin’ here so what’s the pain in guessing)


131 posted on 11/06/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: demshateGod
I think the most telling Poll is this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=197;results=1
(10/23) Who would you vote for if you were not afraid that your candidate might not win?

Duncan Hunter 31.1% 1,778
Fred Thompson 21.5% 1,230

I've seen you Duncan Hunter supporters seek comfort in this poll. I wouldn't. See the words "if you were not afraid that your candidate might not win". They are there for a reason.

PS: I voted for Duncan in that poll. But I will vote for Fred in any other poll.

132 posted on 11/06/2007 9:11:41 AM PST by McGruff (Anybody remember "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."?)
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To: Greg F

“I’ll be home on election day if Romney is the candidate. The Mormons are a cult.”

That’s how I feel too, Especially after being in the debates here on FreeRepublic.

A lot of people just want to ignore the fact that there is a sizable percentage who will not vote for Romney under any circumstance (just as a big group won’t vote for Rudy either).


133 posted on 11/06/2007 9:11:50 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

>>>Have you lost your mind?

I referenced it. It is confirmed. It is linked.


134 posted on 11/06/2007 9:12:37 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: trisham

Then what is your issue with the poll?


135 posted on 11/06/2007 9:13:04 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: OB1kNOb
Oh good grief...playing the DU card because you don't like the facts? How lame. DH hasn't broken 3% and doesn't show up on any of the credible polls so to continue to support him is ludicrous....that's why I snicker.
136 posted on 11/06/2007 9:13:15 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: McGruff

Don’t be afraid he wont win. Vote for him because he’s the best man for the job.


137 posted on 11/06/2007 9:14:22 AM PST by demshateGod (Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: ravingnutter

Well, I for one, just voted once. I would have voted more times but I don’t have internet at home.


138 posted on 11/06/2007 9:15:18 AM PST by demshateGod (Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: OB1kNOb

I’m starting to see a lot of Ron Paul stickers showing up on vehicles at my Baptist church.


139 posted on 11/06/2007 9:16:39 AM PST by demshateGod (Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
May 3, 1992

Memorandum for: Vice Chairman, Senate Select Committee on Prisoners of War and Missing in Action

From: John F. McCreary

Subject: Possible Violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, by the Select Committee and Possible Ethical Misconduct by Staff Attorneys.

1. Continuing analysis of relevant laws and further review of the events between 8 April and 16 April 1992 connected with the destruction of the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text strongly indicate that the order to destroy all copies of that briefing text on 9 April and the actual destruction of copies of the briefing texts plus the purging of computer files might constitute violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, which imposes criminal penalties for unlawful document destruction. Even absent a finding of criminal misconduct, statements, actions, and failures to act by the senior Staff attorneys following the 9 April briefing might constitute serious breaches of ethical standards of conduct for attorneys, in addition to violations of Senate and Select Committee rules. The potential consequences of these possible misdeeds are such that they should be brought to the attention of all members of the Select Committee, plus all Designees and Staff members who were present at the 9 April briefing.

2. The relevant section of Title 18, U.S.C., states in pertinent part: Section 2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795)

3. The facts as the undersigned and others present at the briefing recall them are presented in the attached Memorandum for the Record. A summary of those facts - and others that have been established since that Memorandum was written - follows.

a. On 8 April 1992, the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text was presented to Senior Staff members and Designees for whom copies were available prior to beginning the briefing. Objections to the text by the Designees prompted the Staff Director to order all persons present to leave their copies of the briefing text in Room SRB078. Subsequent events indicated that two copies had been removed without authorization.

b. On 9 April 1992, at the beginning of the meeting of the Select Committee and prior to the scheduled investigators' briefing, Senator McCain produced a copy of the intelligence briefing text, with whose contents he strongly disagreed. He charged that the briefing text had already been leaked to a POW/MIA activist, but was reassured by the Chairman that such was not the case. He replied that he was certain it would be leaked. Whereupon, the Chairman assured Senator McCain that there would be no leaks because all copies would be gathered and destroyed, and he gave orders to that effect. No senior staff member or attorney present cautioned against a possible violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, or of Senate or Select Committee Rules.

c. Following the briefing on 9 April, the Staff Director, Ms. Frances Zwenig, restated to the intelligence investigators the order to destroy the intelligence briefing text and took measures to ensure execution of the destruction order. (See paragraph 3 of the attachment.) During one telephone conversation with the undersigned, she stated that she was "acting under orders."

d. The undersigned also was instructed to delete all computer files, which Mr. Barry Valentine witnessed on 9 April.

e. In a meeting on 15 April 1992, the Staff's Chief Counsel, J. William Codinha, was advised by intelligence investigators of their concerns about the possibility that they had committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing text. Mr. Codinha minimized the significance of the documents and of their destruction. He admonished the investigators for "making a mountain out of a molehill."

f. When investigators repeated their concern that the order to destroy the documents might lead to criminal charges, Mr. Codinha replied "Who's the injured party." He was told, "The 2,494 families of the unaccounted for US Servicemen, among others." Mr. Codinha then said, "Who's gonna tell them. It's classified." At that point the meeting erupted. The undersigned stated that the measure of merit was the law and what's right, not avoidance of getting caught. To which Mr. Codinha made no reply. At no time during the meeting did Mr. Codinha give any indication that any copies of the intelligence briefing text existed.

g. Investigators, thereupon, repeatedly requested actions by the Committee to clear them of any wrongdoing, such as provision of legal counsel. Mr. Codinha admitted that he was not familiar with the law and promised to look into it. He invited a memorandum from the investigators stating what they wanted. Given Mr. Codinha's statements and reactions to the possibility of criminal liability, the investigators concluded they must request appointment of an independent counsel. A memorandum making such a request and signed by all six intelligence investigators was delivered to Mr. Codinha on 16 April.

h. At 2130 on 16 April, the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee, convened a meeting with the intelligence investigators, who told him personally of their concern that they might have committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing texts at the order of the Staff Director. Senator Kerry stated that he gave the order to destroy the documents, not the Staff Director, and that none of the Senators present at the meeting had objected. He also stated that the issue of document destruction was "moot" because the original briefing text had been deposited with the Office of Senate Security "all along." Both the Staff Director and the Chief Counsel supported this assertion by the Chairman.

i. Senator Kerry's remarks prompted follow-up investigations (See paragraphs 4 through 9 of the attachment) and inquiries that established that a copy of the text was not deposited in the Office of Senate Security until the afternoon of 16 April. The Staff Director has admitted that on the afternoon of 16 April, after receiving a copy of a memorandum from Senator Bob Smith to Senator Kerry in which Senator Smith outlined his concerns about the destruction of documents, she obtained a copy of the intelligence briefing text from the office of Senator McCain and took it to the Office of Senate Security. Office of Senate Security personnel confirmed that the Staff Director gave them an envelope, marked "Eyes Only," to be placed in her personal file. The Staff Director has admitted that the envelope contained the copy of the intelligence briefing text that she obtained from the office of Senator McCain.

3. The facts of the destruction of the intelligence briefing text would seem to fall inside the prescriptions of the Statute, Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, so as to justify their referral for investigation to a competent law enforcement authority. The applicability of that Statute was debated in United States v. Poindexter, D.D.C. 1989, 725 F. Supp. 13, in connection with the Iran Contra investigation. The District Court ruled, inter alia, that the National Security Council is a public office within the meaning of the Statute and, thus, that its records and documents fell within the protection of the Statute. In light of that ruling, the Statute would seem to apply to this Senate Select Committee and its Staff. The continued existence of a "bootleg" copy of the intelligence briefing text - i.e., a copy that is not one of those made by the investigators for the purpose of briefing the Select Committee - would seem to be irrelevant to the issues of intent to destroy and willfulness; as well as to the issue of responsibility for the order to destroy all copies of the briefing text, for the attempt to carry out that order, and for the destruction that actually was accomplished in execution of that order.

4. As for the issue of misconduct by Staff attorneys, all member of the Bar swear to uphold the law. That oath may be violated by acts of omission and commission. Even without a violation of the Federal criminal statute, the actions and failures to act by senior Staff attorneys in the sequence of events connected with the destruction of the briefing text might constitute violations

of ethical standards for members of the Bar and of both Senate and Select Committee rules. The statements, actions and failures to act during and after the meeting on 15 April, when the investigators gave notice of their concern about possible criminal liability for document destruction, would seem to reflect disregard for the law and for the rules of the United States Senate.

John F. McCreary

Source

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140 posted on 11/06/2007 9:17:08 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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