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Ron Paul uses Guy Fawkes to fire up campaign and raise $4.3m in a day
The Times ^ | November 7, 2007 | Tom Baldwin

Posted on 11/06/2007 4:44:35 PM PST by Redcloak

From The Times
November 7, 2007

Ron Paul raises $4.3m in a day on the back of notorious terrorist

5th of November poster

Guy Fawkes, a 17th-century English mercenary and terrorist who tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament, is an unlikely figurehead for a US Republican presidential candidate.

But Ron Paul is neither a run-of-the-mill Republican nor a typical presidential aspirant.

His supporters announced yesterday that they had smashed Republican fundraising records by hauling in a total of $4.3 million (£2 million) for his campaign from more than 37,000 donors over the previous 24 hours.

And they did it online, through the website ThisNovember5th.com, where Mr Paul’s speeches have been mashed up with clips of the film V for Vendetta, in which a sinister – but ultimately heroic – terrorist modelled on Fawkes destroys a fascist government in Britain. “Remember, remember, the fifth of November” is moved from British nursery rhyme to a campaign slogan in America.

Mr Paul, a 72-year-old ten-term Texas congressman, has been dismissed widely as a “kook” in the 2008 race. He advocates “Austrian economics”, a return to the gold standard and an end to the Iraq war.

He also wants the withdrawal of all American troops from abroad and the abolition of most government departments, including Energy, Education and Homeland Security.

Some of his supporters believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the American Government, others are white supremacists. Much to his own surprise, Mr Paul has become a cult figure among libertarians and students who pack rallies wearing “Ron Paul Revolution” T-shirts.

Like Howard Dean four years ago, it is the internet and a host of unofficial websites that are propelling him forward: Mr Paul’s name is the most searched of any candidate, his YouTube videos are the most watched and he regularly wins online polls after Republican presidential debates.

Unlike Mr Dean, who came close to winning the 2004 Democratic nomination, Mr Paul stands no chance of becoming the Republicans’ 2008 nominee. In national opinion polls he barely registers, and even in New Hamp-shire – the “live free or die” state – he gets an average of only 3.6 per cent support, according to RealClearPolitics.com, which tracks such surveys.

But his phenomenal fundraising achievements mean that Mr Paul has more than mere nuisance value in this White House race. In the third quarter of this year he raised $5.3 million, an amount similar to that generated by the former front-runner John McCain. He has set a goal of raising a further $12 million by the end of the year.

Yesterday Mr Paul attributed the record-breaking achievement to a “powerful message” and the frustration of people “who do not like the war and do not like the economy”.

Asked whether it was appropriate to use the image of Fawkes and November 5 in this way, he said that it was “just a gimmick”. He added that he had never spoken to organisers of the website. “We advocate a nonviolent – but revolutionary – approach.”

His spokesman issued a further clarification, saying that Mr Paul did not support blowing up parliaments or assassinating kings.

“He wants to demolish things like the Department of Education, but we can do that very peacefully.”


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fundraising; guyfawkes; nutter; paulestinian; romancatholicism; ronpaul; terrorist; unitedkingdom
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The Paulestinians must be a happy bunch today.
1 posted on 11/06/2007 4:44:38 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: Redcloak
According to some Paulvesties, Guy Fawkes wasn’t a terrorist. Yea, blowing up Parliament and attempting to assassinate the King is......

I guess it could be worse, at least Paul isn’t raising money off the blood of our troops by parroting the talking points of our enemies and courting the troofer crowd... oh wait...

2 posted on 11/06/2007 4:47:18 PM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Redcloak

Bookmark


3 posted on 11/06/2007 4:49:21 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Redcloak

Must you make up your own headlines for a story?
‘Ron Paul uses Guy Fawkes to fire up campaign and raise $4.3m in a day’


4 posted on 11/06/2007 4:49:43 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: mnehrling

Something tells me that Guy Fawkes would feel sullied by the comparison to Ron Paul.


5 posted on 11/06/2007 4:50:18 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

“Austrian economics”

Yikes! The horror of it all.


6 posted on 11/06/2007 4:51:55 PM PST by publiusF27
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To: BGHater
I like yours better. Maybe the Times can learn from your fine example. : )
7 posted on 11/06/2007 4:52:01 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

P For Pendetta?


8 posted on 11/06/2007 4:55:25 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Redcloak
While we are on topic, consider this: Identity Thieves Contribute To Ron Paul Presidential Fund
9 posted on 11/06/2007 4:57:37 PM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Redcloak

P For Pendetta?


10 posted on 11/06/2007 4:57:49 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Redcloak

Not an overly positive article about yesterday... actually it’s the worst I’ve seen.. geez.


11 posted on 11/06/2007 5:09:52 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

Ya know, this reaks to high heaven. Why can’t ya just be glad that people in this country have taken an interest in the whole voting process? It’s just because it’s Ron Paul.

Well, even though Ron is not my top choice..if it were between Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Rudy Guiliani..I would cast my vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat.

You want a republican running for office? Out of the three, I would say Ron Paul is the conservative republican candidate.

He doesn’t say abolish the military..he just doesn’t think that we need to be in every country putting out every fire. And guess what? There are a lot of Americans that feel the same way.

So, between the media and the republican “elite” you keep in knocked down and treat him as a joke. That’s fine. But as a conservative republican, I wonder if he would be more likely to throw in with a conservative like Hunter or Thompson if he was treated with some dignity.

There are a lot of republicans that aren’t too keen on the war as it is. They may even think that something was hinky in the beginning and run poorly. For Ron Paul to just be dismissed as a joke is a republican folly.

If people would close their mouths and open their ears..they just might hear some good OLD republican values being said.


12 posted on 11/06/2007 5:25:22 PM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind
if it were between Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Rudy Guiliani...

If it were between two New England RINOS and the Texas Surrender-Monkey, I'd say that our Republic is royally screwed.

13 posted on 11/06/2007 5:28:47 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: All

Say what you will about Paul - that is some serious fund raising.


14 posted on 11/06/2007 5:32:04 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Redcloak

Absolutely. When the media and republican powers that be can say who will and won’t get debate time..the people are definitely screwed.


15 posted on 11/06/2007 5:37:17 PM PST by stillafreemind
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To: Redcloak

ALMIGHTY God, who hast in all ages shewed thy power and mercy in the miraculous and gracious deliverance of thy Church, and in the protection of righteous and religious Kings and States, professing they holy and eternal truth, from the wicked conspiracies and malicious practices of all the enemies thereof; We yield thee our unfeigned thanks and praise for the wonderful and mighty deliverance of our gracious Sovereign King James the First, the Queen, the Prince, and all the Royal Branches, with the Nobility, Clergy and Commons of England, then assembled in Parliament, by Popish treachery appointed as sheep to the slaughter, in a most barbarous and savage manner, beyond the examples of former ages. From this unnatural conspiracy, not our merit, but thy mercy; not our foresight, but thy providence, delivered us: And therefore not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto they Name be ascribed all honour and glory, in all Churches of the Saints, from generation to generation, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

- Collect for Guy Fawkes Day, Book of Common Prayer

16 posted on 11/06/2007 5:38:43 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: mnehrling
According to some Paulvesties, Guy Fawkes wasn’t a terrorist. Yea, blowing up Parliament and attempting to assassinate the King is......

Yeah, Guy Fawkes is still reviled in England, and obviously the U.K. Times is more than a little peeved that a U.S. Presidential candidate would use Guy Fawkes day as a gimmick to raise money.

Up until yesterday I didn't know much about Fawkes, but it only takes a few minutes on the Internet to get up to speed. Apparently he was a Papist who was unhappy with the persecution of Catholics in England, so he organized a "Gunpowder Plot" to blow up the House of Parliament when the Protestant King and nobles would be meeting. The plot was uncovered, and Fawkes was tortured and executed.

While Fawkes remains mostly hated in England, he's also come to be seen by many as a symbol of revolt against tyrannical authority -- "the only man to ever enter parliament with honourable intentions". Who among us would not at times like to (at least figuratively) do something similar?

However, regardless of one's opinion of Guy Fawkes, I would not classify him as a terrorist. As far as I'm concerned, a terrorist is one who targets innocent civilians. Targeting military forces or government officials is not terrorism, it is war or revolution. You can argue about which side is the just side in a war or revolution, but enemy soldiers and leaders are legitimate targets.

Since Islamic radicals consider themselves at war with the United States, their 9/11 attack on the Pentagon should not be classified as terrorism; it was a military target. But of course their killing of innocent civilians, in the jetliners they hijacked and in the Twin Towers, was terrorism. And we could still retaliate (i.e., wage war against them) even if they had attacked the Pentagon in a non-terroristic fashion.

17 posted on 11/06/2007 5:45:50 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: Redcloak
Is Ron Paul anti-Catholic? Historically the point of celebrating Guy Fawkes Day was to express anti-Catholic feelings. (I haven't been in England on November 5, so I don't know what they do now...the original rationale may have been forgotten.)

November 5 is also the anniversary of the landing of William of Orange in 1688, just before James II fled the country.

18 posted on 11/06/2007 6:11:01 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Redcloak

So our constitutionally elected government is tyrannical and Ron Paul is supporting violent terrorism against it? Ron Paul and his supporters are sick. This is revolting.


19 posted on 11/06/2007 6:12:00 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: mnehrling

yeah, makes you wonder. Almost zilch for a long stretch then WHAMO they must have hit to Lottery. Everybody better be checking you CC account statements.

Hard as it is to think it, hitlery would be less damaging to America than Paul.


20 posted on 11/06/2007 6:13:02 PM PST by dusttoyou (FredHead from the git go)
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To: traviskicks
Not an overly positive article about yesterday... actually it’s the worst I’ve seen.. geez.

Of course not. The good folks at the UK Times want the government to chew their food for them. A candidate espousing limited government is TERRIFYING to them. If the idea of liberty catches on, the government might not wipe their bottoms! How will they survive?

21 posted on 11/06/2007 6:13:23 PM PST by lgwdnbdgr
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To: stillafreemind

So holding up a terrorist as an example is perfectly fine with you? Sick...


22 posted on 11/06/2007 6:14:47 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: dpwiener

So encouraging violent action against our constitutionally elected government is not terrorism, but perfectly acceptable “revolution” and “war”? Shame on you, Ron Paul and his supporters. This is disgusting.


23 posted on 11/06/2007 6:17:31 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: stillafreemind

YEah, it would all be great if Paul wasn’t a total flake.


24 posted on 11/06/2007 6:20:42 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: stillafreemind

Conservatives used to applaud people who preached the Founder’s cause.

But that was before the Neocons and Socons redefined the term.


25 posted on 11/06/2007 6:20:46 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: dpwiener

****While Fawkes remains mostly hated in England, he’s also come to be seen by many as a symbol of revolt against tyrannical authority — “the only man to ever enter parliament with honourable intentions”. Who among us would not at times like to (at least figuratively) do something similar?***

I love that line. I think Ron Paul has entered congress with honorable intentions.

Love him or hate him, you have to admit that he is one of the most honest politicians of our time.


26 posted on 11/06/2007 6:23:05 PM PST by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country -- Ron Paul)
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To: ichabod1
it would all be great if Paul wasn’t a total flake

Knew very little about Ron Paul except for a few things he has voted on in the past. But when I saw the YouTube clip from when he was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno he just really struck me all wrong--came off as a smug jerk I thought.

27 posted on 11/06/2007 6:39:35 PM PST by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: stillafreemind

Here is the best I’ve seen today, Ron Paul on Tucker Carlson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LYp7_fCyZo


28 posted on 11/06/2007 6:50:18 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: jmeagan

Oh he is honest.

Most voters prefer to be pandered to nowadays.


29 posted on 11/06/2007 6:51:12 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: lgwdnbdgr

see post 28


30 posted on 11/06/2007 6:51:49 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Unam Sanctam
So encouraging violent action against our constitutionally elected government is not terrorism, but perfectly acceptable “revolution” and “war”? Shame on you, Ron Paul and his supporters. This is disgusting.

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Nov. 13, 1787 letter to Col. William S. Smith:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. ... What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon, and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

The federal government does many unconstitutional things, and it's high time we scaled it back to it's limited Constitutional functions. Ron Paul wants to do that peacefully, by running for President. But one way or another, as Thomas Jefferson pointed out, we need to preserve our liberties.

31 posted on 11/06/2007 6:53:37 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: publiusF27

Yup Von Mises is such an outcast...

Too many these days still prefer Keynes and the safety of Big Brother.


32 posted on 11/06/2007 6:57:07 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Redcloak

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...


33 posted on 11/06/2007 6:59:40 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: Verginius Rufus
Since the Catholic libertarians over at LewRockwell.com, which has become more or less an “amen corner” for the Paul campaign, promoted the “Remember the Fifth of November” drive, it is hard to think of this fund raising effort as anti-Catholic. The reference to Guy Fawkes derives from the movie, “V for Vendetta”, a leftist movie where no reference is made to Fawkes’ Catholicism, but rather to his fight against tyranny.
34 posted on 11/06/2007 7:07:16 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Redcloak

President Paul! Get used to it!


35 posted on 11/06/2007 7:07:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Revolting cat!

While I support your right to use recreational marijuana, I urge that you abstain before posting.


36 posted on 11/06/2007 7:27:53 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

You know, I never even hear of the Guy Fawks guy, I don’t think, until I am chatting with a friend in England telling me it’s Guy Fawks Days over there. Then that movie came out V for Vendetta.

I think Ron Paul should wear the Guy Fawks mask to the next debate.


37 posted on 11/06/2007 7:39:11 PM PST by Duke Nukum (He burns at the center of time and he sees the turn of the Universe.)
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To: Redcloak

I’m not a Paul supporter or opposer, but this thread is about what was expected...FreeRepublic Groupthink. Which candidate is the flavor of the month, per the mandate from FR management and owners? Fred?


38 posted on 11/06/2007 7:42:07 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: stillafreemind
Ya know, this reaks to high heaven. Why can’t ya just be glad that people in this country have taken an interest in the whole voting process? It’s just because it’s Ron Paul.

If you want to keep your account on FR, you support who you're told. Ron Paul is not the chosen candidate.
39 posted on 11/06/2007 7:43:39 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Unam Sanctam

You are either drunk, or demented.


40 posted on 11/06/2007 7:46:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: stillafreemind
"You want a republican running for office? Out of the three, I would say Ron Paul is the conservative republican candidate."

Oh, great. We could go straight from conservative conservatism to kooky conservatism. Please tell me how you can seriously say you would vote for Paul after he says things like the nutsy President of Iran is acting reasonably and understandably. His statements about Pakistan yesterday were troubling as well.

I'm not trying to be mean or sarcastic ... I really want to know how you can lean on his conservative credentials when he is saying such dangerous things. His attitude on foreign policy could get us all killed.

41 posted on 11/06/2007 7:50:38 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Redcloak

Fair enough. May I say President Ron?


42 posted on 11/06/2007 7:54:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Unam Sanctam
This is revolting.

No, I'm sorry, I am the one who's Revolting!

43 posted on 11/06/2007 7:55:14 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Conservative til I die

Don’t worry about it. Your FR problem has been solved.


44 posted on 11/06/2007 8:33:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

LOL! We need to come up with a snappy term for posters (I won’t say FReepers) who self-immolate whilst supporting their decidedly non-conservative candidates.


45 posted on 11/06/2007 9:44:11 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Duke Nukum
Something like this?

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

46 posted on 11/06/2007 10:06:00 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: stillafreemind
If people would close their mouths and open their ears..they just might hear some good OLD republican values being said.

Amen.

47 posted on 11/06/2007 11:37:27 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Unam Sanctam
So our constitutionally elected government is tyrannical and Ron Paul is supporting violent terrorism against it? Ron Paul and his supporters are sick. This is revolting.

The day is celebrated in England as an anti-terrorist day-Fawkes was caught before he could complete his mission.

48 posted on 11/06/2007 11:39:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Redcloak
Kind of a tongue-in-cheek article I'd say, not really intending to be an honest news article.

It seems to me that the point is missed on the connection between Nov. 5 and Guy Fawkes and Ron Paul.

I believe the intended connection is with the character in V for Vendetta, who is rising up against a fascist, futuristic Britain (I only saw the movie once, so my memory is a bit fuzzy). As far as I know, *that's* where the connection is -- not with the historical Guy Fawkes (which the character in the movie is actually hearkening back to).

49 posted on 11/07/2007 12:36:46 AM PST by Proud2BAmerican
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To: dusttoyou
Hard as it is to think it, hitlery would be less damaging to America than Paul.

I hate to admit it, but I've slowly come around to that line of thinking, too.
50 posted on 11/07/2007 1:11:24 AM PST by End Times Crusader (Chris Peden for Congress 2008 - send Ron Paul packing)
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