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Novak: Fred Thompson's Stunning Error
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | Nov. 8, 2008 | Robert Novak

Posted on 11/08/2007 12:03:44 PM PST by coca-cola kid

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To: ejonesie22
The war is for the middle, those whose minds can be changed, and they will not be changed when they are being screamed at and threatened.

I see you as one of the "soft-core" pro-lifers. But I do wish you well and your efforts success. If the only way to succeed on moral issues is to move to a moderate position on everything then I am completely wrong.

61 posted on 11/08/2007 1:14:58 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: steve86
I believe a warning and cataclysm will ensue following the continuing sins of mankind.

Anyone who knows in their heart that God does exist needs to think it all the way through. We commit mass crimes against His children, then celebrate those crimes as "rights" we wish to preserve for our own daughters (just in case, you know... we get into a bind).

This sort of madness can't go on forever.

62 posted on 11/08/2007 1:15:38 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (“I don't think she understood at all what I was saying.” -- Anita Esterday on Hillary Clinton)
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To: steve86
You really don’t get it. I am as hard core as any, but the goal here is not who is the baddest a$$ pro lifer, but saving the lives we supposedly want to save.

That is your goal, right?

It is a moral issue, but it will take a political solution...

63 posted on 11/08/2007 1:18:09 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: ejonesie22

Well said, ejonesie.


64 posted on 11/08/2007 1:19:44 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: RobRoy
Did the woman take the pill knowing full well what it would do? The answer is in my question.

Did the woman or girl go to the abortionist knowing full well what was going to be done

Things don't occur in a vacuum

If an amendment was passed outlawing abortion it would be because the vast majority recognized abortion as taking human life and penalties would have to be part of the amendment etc

Therefore both parties would be guilty

As far as the age of the woman it would be no different than age considerations being taken into account for other crimes etc

To be logical that would have to be the position
65 posted on 11/08/2007 1:20:40 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: Shermy
they are all cheering for rudy; even Hannity.
66 posted on 11/08/2007 1:21:02 PM PST by captnorb
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To: ejonesie22
It is a moral issue, but it will take a political solution...

The actual solution is prayer, and in the end all the posturing and diatribe don't matter.

No vote or contribution to a conservative political candidate will matter unless it is God's will. And pandering to a political correct "let's not offend anyone by suggesting what they're doing isn't bad enough to warrant a prison sentence" isn't going to cut it.

67 posted on 11/08/2007 1:24:04 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: truthluva

Who ARE these people, cckid? I’ve not met any in my 32 years as a pro-lifer. Bob


69 posted on 11/08/2007 1:25:56 PM PST by alstewartfan
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To: steve86
And prayer is being done, but we have to help ourselves too.

You talk of devotion to the cause, and I think that one who does it for a living would have a better call than most.

David Osteen seems to be ok with Thompson’s position

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1922280/posts

I don't think it is time to suggest things one way or the other, we have to have the law first. Tactical considerations in a political battles is not pandering, it’s smart.

Again, I want to win the fight, how about you?

70 posted on 11/08/2007 1:28:31 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: coca-cola kid

Novak and the rest of the MSM view FDT’s campaign in the context of conventional thought as to how a modern campaing should be run and any deviation is viewed as a blunder. Perhaps they should quit playing “gotcha”, wanting to be the first to point out a fatal error and dismiss the candidate from the race and do what his supporters are doing...listening to the man’s entire answer. He does tend to show his years in the Senate by giving a thorough and usually thought provoking answer but the detractors want to deal in sound bites and don’t have time to really listen. He’s really trying to run a different kind of campaign and once the pretend conservatives go by the wayside he’ll be left to inherit his rightfull role as leading conservative with a state’s rights emphasis. It’s like these talk shows that want to cover a complex issue in the 15 minute segment they’ve allotted to it with four guests who usually only get maybe one shot to make a statement, let alone a convincing arguement.


71 posted on 11/08/2007 1:28:44 PM PST by vigilence
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To: ejonesie22

I will read your link when returning later.


72 posted on 11/08/2007 1:29:55 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: uncbob
If an amendment was passed outlawing abortion it would be because the vast majority recognized abortion as taking human life and penalties would have to be part of the amendment etc

Penalties wouldn't have to be part of the amendment. This is why several amendments contain the clause reading, Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

73 posted on 11/08/2007 1:32:02 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
the voice of totalitarianism, thanks.
74 posted on 11/08/2007 1:32:49 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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bump


75 posted on 11/08/2007 1:34:58 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: steve86
Thank you, I think it is worthy of consideration.
76 posted on 11/08/2007 1:36:59 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: RobRoy
We agree to the point where I think we are redundant.

I’m really sorry, but I’m afraid am going to have to off you... Well...okay.

77 posted on 11/08/2007 1:44:28 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: edcoil

There was nothing even remotely totalitarian about anything I said... but I suppose in this day and age, it’s futile to expect people know what the words they use actually mean. At least you spelled it right. That puts you ahead of the curve.


78 posted on 11/08/2007 1:48:19 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (“I don't think she understood at all what I was saying.” -- Anita Esterday on Hillary Clinton)
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To: steve86

Clearly, I was not necessarily making reference to flood literally, as my subsequent post utilizing the word “cataclysm” points out. But thanks for your literalistic comment.
__________

LOL. I apologize for not knowing what you have posted in the future. Subsequent still means ‘after’, right. I don’t wanna be too much of a literalist, y’know


79 posted on 11/08/2007 1:48:24 PM PST by dmz
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To: coca-cola kid
Why's that a "stunning error?" Thompson is talking sense here, by accounting for the 3 P's: publicity, politics, and practicality.

Publicity The pro-aborts' strongest argument has always been to induce sympathy the pretty young girl whose bright future was truncated by the arrival of an unwanted child. People do feel sorry for these girls, and it gives a surface plausibility that helps them to mask the underlying ghastliness of abortion.

Politics Any legislator who tries to impose criminal penalties on the women who have abortions, will be quickly marginalized. Whose side are you gonna take: some poor kid who's at her wits end, or the politician who wants this poor girl to be put in jail? Politics says the girl gets all the sympathy.

Practicality To get any reasonable restrictions on abortion, legislators have to avoid introducing the sorts of issues that will shift the focus to something distracting. Thus, you don't want to attack the sympathetic figures.

There are undoubtedly that set of purists who will try to use this to paint Fred Thompson as a pro-abort. Those people are fools who would rather be right and get nothing, than practical and move the line a bit further toward the goal.

Like it or not, This is a political problem, and it demands a political solution. You don't win in politics by picking on attractive victims.

There are other, better ways to do this, such as highlighting the ghoulish characters who make millions by killing thousands of babies yearly.

80 posted on 11/08/2007 1:49:01 PM PST by r9etb
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