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To: coca-cola kid
I would like to see girls, their parents, women, and most certainly abortionists in prison for a long time.
20 posted on 11/08/2007 12:14:04 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: steve86

Ouch. You are the type of person whom Fred is taking issue with in his answer.


32 posted on 11/08/2007 12:29:09 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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Well it would have to be made illegal first...

Just a detail...


33 posted on 11/08/2007 12:32:40 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: steve86
"I would like to see girls, their parents, women, and most certainly abortionists in prison for a long time."

I think this position is quite short-sighted, and here's why:

Let me propose this as a possible analogy (imperfect, but in a limited way applicable): drug abuse. The law routinely makes a distinction between a user (especially a young, first-time user) and a pusher. Yes. the user is guilty of breaking the law, but he's also in a significant sense a victim who is in the process of ruining his own body and mind for somebody else's profit. Therefore the user can sometimes avoid criminal penalties altogether if he signs himself into rehab: his penalty is therapy + probation. The pusher, by contrast, and rightfully, gets slammed.

Yes, I realize a crucial difference because in abortion, the doctor and the pregnant mother are killing a third party, the child.

However, if the purpose of the law is to improve the security and well-being of infants before birth, the only practical way to do that is by eliciting the support of the mother, since it is impossible to protect an unborn child unless his mother has both the will and the means to protect him. The child's security cannot be produced by pressure on the woman, but it can be significantly helped by the extirpation of the abortion operator and the abortion industry.

On the other, hand, if the purpose of the law is to exact strict penal retribution --- well, that has a certain abstract logic. But it couldn't be done, politically, in the USA, because the prolife movement is vastly Christian-dominated, and the Christians wouldn't support it.

You'd be more successful advocating this in, say, the Islamic community. They don't have to contend with the example of a Savior who shamed and turned away the stone-wielding men, and then said to the woman, "Go now, and sin no more."

(Oh, and P.S.: I notice you left the baby-daddies out of the penalty phase...)

46 posted on 11/08/2007 12:43:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne.)
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With your attitude, our side can forget about gaining any ground on the abortion debate. What is worth more to you: trying to stop all abortions and not stopping one, or trying to stop most and, indeed, stopping most?


85 posted on 11/08/2007 2:11:50 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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