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Waterboarding Is Torture, Says Ex-Navy Instructor (SERE)
The Washington Post ^
| Nov 9, 2007
| Josh White
Posted on 11/09/2007 6:14:39 AM PST by RDTF
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:14:41 AM PST
by
RDTF
To: RDTF
We should make it very clear that we won’t waterboard terrorists that don’t try to attack us. Should the terrorists adhere to this simple edict, they will have nothing to worry about.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:15:49 AM PST
by
pnh102
To: RDTF
If it keeps my family and nation safe, do what you have to do.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:19:39 AM PST
by
MattinNJ
(I'm pulling for Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter-...but I'd vote for Rudy against Hillary)
To: RDTF
A former Navy survival instructor subjected to waterboarding as part of his military training told Congress yesterday that the controversial tactic should plainly be considered torture and that such a method was never intended for use by U.S. interrogators because it is a relic of abusive totalitarian governments.
I agree with him completely.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:19:48 AM PST
by
arderkrag
(Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
To: RDTF
Water boarding is torture ... ok thats why it should be used.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:20:41 AM PST
by
svcw
(There is no plan B.)
To: RDTF
A former Navy survival instructor subjected to waterboarding as part of his military training told Congress yesterday that the controversial tactic should plainly be considered torture...
They write that like it's a bad thing. Let's see - we can either a) torture a murdering fascist Muslim who knows when and where the next attack will come and save hundreds of lives, or b) not torture a murdering fascist Muslim who knows when and where the next attack will come and lose hundreds of lives. Seems like an clear decision.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:20:42 AM PST
by
AD from SpringBay
(We have the government we allow and deserve.)
To: RDTF
Like I said in another thread,
Some people will do anything for a bottle of Mad Dog.
Darkwing104 MSgt(Ret)
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:20:53 AM PST
by
darkwing104
(Let's get dangerous)
To: RDTF
I think most of us abhor the use of torture.
But a lot of people in govt need to realize that, under the right situation, torture can be a successful means of finding out what the enemy is up to.
If the use of torture saves the lives of American soldiers and civilians, I have no problem with it.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:22:41 AM PST
by
MplsSteve
To: RDTF
Nance reminded Congress that the final -e in his name is not silent.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:23:45 AM PST
by
wideawake
(Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
To: arderkrag
Understood, collaborator.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:24:58 AM PST
by
wideawake
(Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
To: RDTF
I wonder how long it took Dean to recruit this guy.
To: RDTF
I really don't give a rat's rear end if waterboarding is torture or not. What I want to know is, is it effective?
The easily offended, holier than thou, types who would screw over their fellow Americans with various and sundry political schemes, yet would not waterboard some sub human hell bent on killing as many of US as it could is haughty, arrogant stupidity. Republicans who are unable to see this are idiots who do not deserve their elected office.
Does anyone remember the Dukakis debate moment where he hesitated on about what to do about someone who raped his wife? Make waterboarding more personal. Frame the question like this,
"Waterboarding is an effective way to extract information, if a terrorist scumbag is about to kill your wife and family, including your puppy and your little girl's new kitten with a nuclear devise, which, btw, would kill you and all your neighbors and friends, would you waterboard the scumbag...even if a few demonrats think it's torture?"
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:27:36 AM PST
by
GBA
( God Bless America!)
To: RDTF
I doubt these that got the treatment were ever the ones selected to strap explosives to themselves to slaughter innocent people.
To: RDTF
Waterboarding is not my cup of tea. I think we as a nation would be better off if we did not rely on it.
However...
There is a specific legal definition of “torture”, and waterboarding does not meet it. It is not a matter of feelings or voting. It is or it is not. From a legal point of view, it is not torture. To put it in the same catagory as actual torture belittles the horror of actual torture.
That said, the US Government, as a matter of policy, has determined that they are no longer going to use this particular interrogation method. I am OK with that.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:28:34 AM PST
by
gridlock
(Recycling is the new Religion.)
To: RDTF
Being incinerated alive at your office desk by burning jet fuel - now that’s torture.
To: RDTF
Of course waterboarding is torture.
So what? Jumping off the 108th floor is torture. Having your head cut off is torture.
I think that unrestricted warfare against the jihadis is a) what the people want, b) entirely justified, c) not practiced enough, and, d) the key to victory for any electoral politicians who are willing to use that torture card, i.e., who will answer Schmucky and Her Thighness by saying, "You bet your ass we tortured KSM! So what?"
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:29:03 AM PST
by
Jim Noble
(Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
To: arderkrag
>>>A former Navy survival instructor subjected to waterboarding as part of his military training told Congress yesterday that the controversial tactic should plainly be considered torture and that such a method was never intended for use by U.S. interrogators because it is a relic of abusive totalitarian governments.
>>>I agree with him completely.
An Islamic terrorist has set up an atomic bomb somewhere in a city where 100,000 Americans, including your parents and children are living. There is no time to evacuate them.
The bomb is set to go off in one hour. If I know where it is I can disarm it.
Can I waterboard the perp to find out where it is?
Welcome to the real world, 2007 version.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:31:44 AM PST
by
MindBender26
(Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
To: RDTF
” those who experience it will say or do anything to make it stop, rendering the information they give nearly useless. “
I think we have to judge that statement against actual product to date. We aren’t likely to see a lot of the product of this method, due to secrecy, but if it wasn’t producing results that have saved thousands of innocent lives, I truly don’t believe we’d be using it just for kicks.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:32:14 AM PST
by
Humble Servant
(Keep it simple - do what's right.)
To: MplsSteve
“I think most of us abhor the use of torture.”
I think a lot of people confuse the “torture” that is used to extract legitimate information and the “torture” that is used to punish and intimidate “enemies of the state” in such leftist icons as Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia, Saddam’s Iraq, etc.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:33:37 AM PST
by
PLMerite
("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
To: MindBender26
No, you can't. Sorry. If you compromise the principles of a free society just for survival's sake, you don't deserve the benefits of the country those principles are founded upon.
And drop the whole "ticking time bomb" garbage. It's an old and tired argument that is based on emotion.
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posted on
11/09/2007 6:34:12 AM PST
by
arderkrag
(Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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