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Say It's So, Joe (Lieberman)
Yahoo News ^ | November 9, 2007 | William Kristol

Posted on 11/09/2007 6:18:19 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

To that end, we're happy to provide excerpts from the remarks of the independent Democrat from Connecticut:

Between 2002 and 2006, there was a battle within the Democratic Party. . . . We could rightly criticize the Bush administration when it failed to live up to its own rhetoric, or when it bungled the execution of its policies. But I felt that we should not minimize the seriousness of the threat from Islamist extremism, or the fundamental rightness of the muscular, internationalist, and morally self-confident response that President Bush had chosen in response to it.

But that was not the choice most Democrats made. . . . Since retaking Congress in November 2006, the top foreign policy priority of the Democratic Party has not been to expand the size of our military for the war on terror or to strengthen our democracy promotion efforts in the Middle East or to prevail in Afghanistan. It has been to pull our troops out of Iraq, to abandon the democratically elected government there, and to hand a defeat to President Bush.

Iraq has become the singular litmus test for Democratic candidates. No Democratic presidential primary candidate today speaks of America's moral or strategic responsibility to stand with the Iraqi people against the totalitarian forces of radical Islam, or of the consequences of handing a victory in Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran. And if they did, their campaign would be as unsuccessful as mine was in 2006. Even as evidence has mounted that General Petraeus' new counterinsurgency strategy is succeeding, Democrats have remained emotionally invested in a narrative of defeat and retreat in Iraq, reluctant to acknowledge the progress we are now achieving. . . .

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; democrats; iraq; lieberman; traitors; wot
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1 posted on 11/09/2007 6:18:20 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: ExTexasRedhead; Salem; SandRat; river rat; Alouette; SJackson; wagglebee; neverdem; ...

It’s amazing for a former Vice Presidential running mate to speak of his party like this. And it’s all too true.


2 posted on 11/09/2007 6:19:42 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Clintonfatigued

At least one Democrat will tell it straight... I wish more of our own party would get out there and start trumpeting the successes in Iraq. Our Bravest deserve nothing less. Heros every one. Let the Democrats wallow in defeatism.. This is a surge to victory and it is at hand. Let not our country be swayed by those on the left that deny reality on the ground in Iraq to push a worn out poltical agenda that seeks to undermine our very freedom and liberty here at home.


3 posted on 11/09/2007 6:22:51 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

and yet how did he lose so much credibility in his own party... How do the Democrats square with Joe Liberman??? It simply amazes me that they have sunk this low to sell out the nation over for political gain!!


4 posted on 11/09/2007 6:24:23 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: tomnbeverly
It simply amazes me that they have sunk this low to sell out the nation over for political gain!!

The Donkeys have put themselves in a position where it'll be a huge political loss for them if the U.S. is successful in establishing a stable Iraqi state, and that's why they're actively rooting for us to lose. ...national security be damned. They'd rather gain back the WH than defeat Islamifascism, even though failing to do the latter puts all American lives (including their own) in peril. Traitors, all. ...and I don't use that term lightly.

5 posted on 11/09/2007 6:32:27 PM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: tomnbeverly
and yet how did he lose so much credibility in his own party...

because He's a democrat, not a socialist

6 posted on 11/09/2007 6:40:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: tomnbeverly
The most challenging and pointed of Lieberman’s attacks on the Dems was as follows:

“There is likewise something profoundly wrong when we see candidates who are willing to pander to this politically paranoid, hyper-partisan sentiment in the Democratic base—even if it sends a message of weakness and division to the Iranian regime.

“For me, this episode reinforces how far the Democratic Party of 2007 has strayed. . . . That is why I call myself an Independent Democrat today. It is because my foreign policy convictions are the convictions that have traditionally animated the Democratic Party—but they exist in me today independent of the current Democratic Party, which has largely repudiated them.”

The point is, as Lieberman realizes, the Democrats aren’t serious about the war on terror. They prefer to treat it as a criminal matter, to be dealt with by law enforcement and the courts, just as Bill Clinton did with the first attack on the World Trade Center.

Why do the Dems do this? IMO, it’s because they remain an anti-military, anti-defense party at heart, still haunted by Vietnam and still opting for appeasement over confrontation. Culturally, the Dems further believe that the U.S. brought this on itself. America, as they see it, is responsible for the rise of Islamofascism (as I call it). America’s success and influence around the world is derided by the lefties, who still advocate a socialist agenda.

7 posted on 11/09/2007 6:41:02 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Clintonfatigued

My favorite bit:
. . . [T]here is something profoundly wrong—something that should trouble all of us—when we have elected Democratic officials who seem more worried about how the Bush administration might respond to Iran’s murder of our troops, than about the fact that Iran is murdering our troops.

There is likewise something profoundly wrong when we see candidates who are willing to pander to this politically paranoid, hyper-partisan sentiment in the Democratic base—even if it sends a message of weakness and division to the Iranian regime.


8 posted on 11/09/2007 6:41:34 PM PST by brothers4thID (Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: Aristotelian

and every Republican needs to be out front of the Cameras saying just that... Inherently the Democrat candidates for President are not serious about fighting the terror threat against america... Tell America what the Dems are afraid to ...

THE TRUTH...


9 posted on 11/09/2007 6:50:56 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: brothers4thID; sionnsar

That is so true.


10 posted on 11/09/2007 6:51:13 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: tomnbeverly

That is why I believe the 2008 election will largely turn on national security and anti-terrorism, not Iraq.


11 posted on 11/09/2007 7:06:23 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: tomnbeverly

I agree with you that the Republicans need to deliver a speech similar to Joe’s and perhaps many of them have and we just don’t know because CSPAN covered this speech.
Joe Lieberman is my Senator and he has been great on the War on Terror but he must be watched on other aspects of his thoughts. On SCHIP, raising taxes on the rich to give to the poor. I do believe that Sen. Lieberman is a Clintonista in sheeps clothing.


12 posted on 11/09/2007 7:15:36 PM PST by mojo114
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To: tomnbeverly
and yet how did he lose so much credibility in his own party... How do the Democrats square with Joe Liberman??? It simply amazes me that they have sunk this low to sell out the nation over for political gain!!

Bush Derangement Syndrome, BDS, started with a failed attempt to steal the election in 2000. They can't be reasoned with, just analyzed for the absurdities they appear to believe and the sedition that they promote.

13 posted on 11/09/2007 7:24:14 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

It’s not his party anymore. They left him, and this is why (and what for).


14 posted on 11/09/2007 7:24:28 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: neverdem

Wow Bush must be the most powerful President in history if he can get this many people pissed off at him and still maintain the power of the office. If he can cause People to get so mad at him that they are literally selling their souls and the lives of our bravest men and women fighting for this country over their derangement regarding his policies...

Its kind of Insane.


15 posted on 11/09/2007 7:28:56 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: Aristotelian
America’s success and influence around the world is derided by the lefties, who still advocate a socialist agenda.

In the absence of a Soviet state, the animating principle of the left-wing worldwide is anti-Americanism.

And that even holds true the left-wingers in the U.S.

16 posted on 11/09/2007 7:30:29 PM PST by okie01
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To: Aristotelian
I believe the 2008 election will largely turn on national security, border security, and illegal immigration -- not Iraq, and not "anti-terrorism."

The only problem with this is that if the current front-runners (Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani) end up getting nominated, the most effective candidate to deal with these issues will be a write-in candidate named Ronald McDonald.

17 posted on 11/09/2007 7:31:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: tomnbeverly

“It simply amazes me that they have sunk this low to sell out the nation over for political gain!!”

Why not? It’s worked for the Clintons many a time.

If the Hsu fits....


18 posted on 11/09/2007 7:33:28 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Clintonfatigued

Zell Miller went first. Joe is following in Zell’s footsteps. Two democrats who place their country first. They are rare indeed.


19 posted on 11/09/2007 7:39:16 PM PST by tioga (Winter is coming tonight.)
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To: tomnbeverly
Wow Bush must be the most powerful President in history if he can get this many people pissed off at him and still maintain the power of the office.

It's not that many, it's just that they are loud or have influential positions.

In exit polls, 47 percent of voters described their views as moderate, 21 percent liberal and 32 percent conservative. And 61 percent of the moderates voted Democratic this year.

On party identification, 26 percent said they're Independent, which is in line with recent elections. But this year, Independents went Democratic by a 57-39 margin.

That was last year. The hard left is only little more than a fifth of the electorate. Even though it was an off year election, I doubt if many of them failed to vote.

20 posted on 11/09/2007 7:50:58 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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