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At the crater’s rim, something ‘mind-bogglingly cool’ (Glacier at Mt St Helens)
The News Tribune ^ | 11/9/07 | Craig Hill

Posted on 11/09/2007 7:35:34 PM PST by bkwells

MOUNT ST. HELENS – Standing on Mount St. Helen’s southern rim, Cynthia Gardner sees much more than a smoldering volcano. Like her colleagues at the U.S. Geological Survey, Gardner sees an enormous gift basket packed with scientific marvels.

She finds the ongoing eruption and burgeoning lava dome fascinating enough, but she sounds almost giddy when she talks about the crater’s glacier.

“The glacier is mind-bogglingly cool,” said Gardner, a USGS geologist, “maybe even more interesting than the eruption.”

Ever since St. Helens rumbled back to life in 2004, geologists have curiously watched the dichotomy of fire and ice play out. It’s mesmerized them, surprised them and now is threatening some of their seismic monitoring equipment.

Crater Glacier is like no other glacier in the world. It’s the only glacier with lava extruding through it and forming a dome. And while most glaciers are receding, Crater Glacier is advancing three feet per day and forming a collar around the growing dome.

What will happen next as the glacier and the dome continue to grow and try to claim their share of the crater? Scientists wish they knew.

“It’s still an empirical science,” Gardner said last week. “We are learning from what we see.”

Crater Glacier started forming shortly after St. Helens blew its top on May 18, 1980. The glacier is fed by snow and falling rock and ice from the crater rim. The glacier is about 40 percent rock and 60 percent ice, USGS geologist Willie Scott said.

Originally, the glacier filled the void between the crater walls and the lava dome that formed from 1980 to 1986. Peter Frenzen, Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument’s scientist, says the crater’s architecture is perfect for nurturing the glacier.

The crater floor is 6,500 feet above sea level, high enough to collect plenty of snow. And the 1,800-foot-tall crater walls and the lava dome give the glacier ample shade.

But when the 2004 eruption pushed a new dome up through the ice, something had to give. Geologists feared the 1,300-degree lava would melt the glacier, causing a lahar to spew from the open end of the horseshoe-shape crater.

What happened next surprised the scientists.

Cooling rock on the outside of the dome insulated the glacier from the lava, and only about 10 percent of the glacier melted, said Carolyn Driedger, a USGS hydrologist. Instead, the dome, growing by a pickup truckload of lava every two seconds, split the glacier into two moraines – deposits of glacial rock and soil – pressing each against the crater walls. The pinching forced the glacier arms to double in depth and increase their speed.

The arms, which are as deep as 500 feet in places, are just 400 feet away from colliding on the northern side of the dome. Using a GPS unit placed on the glacier, scientists estimate it’s moving three feet per day and that the arms will meet later this year.

In the glacier’s path is the Yellow Rock seismic station, which has recorded St. Helens’ belchings since 1981. In anticipation, geologists put a replacement station outside the glacier’s path in 2006.

Geologists say the dome’s slow pinch on the glacier shows no signs of stopping. Gardner and Scott point to Guatemala’s Volcn Santa Mara as an example of how long St. Helens might erupt. Santa Mara has been erupting since 1922.

At its current rate of growth, the dome will rebuild St. Helens to its pre-1980 glory in 180 years.

Depending on whom you ask, Crater Glacier might not be around to see that day. Scott says the glacier is on a suicidal path. As its moraines are pinched off and reach lower and warmer elevations, Scott envisions the glacier stagnating and melting.

Driedger doesn’t think the glacier will ever be entirely pinched off by the dome. She thinks the glacier will rise higher as the crater fills in and finds a home on the dome.

“But it’s conjecture on all our parts,” Driedger said. “That’s what makes this so fun to watch. As scientists, we might be taking measurements, but we don’t know the end of the story.

“We’re like everybody else, watching to see what story the mountain tells.” CRATER GLACIER BY THE NUMBERS

3

Feet the two arms of the glacier move each day.

1,050

Width in feet of the glacier’s west arm. The east arm is 790 feet wide.

500

Estimated depth in feet of upper glacier. The lower glacier is 60 to 130 feet deep.

400

Feet the glacier arms must travel before they reunite on the north side of the dome. Scientists think that will happen this year.

0.33

Area of glacier in square miles, more than twice that of Mount Hood’s White River glacier.

Source: U.S. Geological Survey

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LIMITS: 12 climbers per party. One hundred climbers allowed on the mountain per day. Most weekend permits are sold out through Sept. 22.

THE conditions: St. Helens is currently erupting but is considered safe for climbing.

THE CLIMB: The route gains roughly 4,500 feet and is 10 miles roundtrip.

GEAR: In addition to climbing gear, officials recommend a dust mask, goggles and, in the unlikely event of an explosive eruption, a climbing helmet.

INFORMATION: Phone:

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Online: Visit mshinstitute.org or go to www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/ and click on “Mount St. Helens climbing permits.”


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: glaciers; globalwarning; mtsthelens
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To: bkwells
At its current rate of growth, the dome will rebuild St. Helens to its pre-1980 glory in 180 years.

But, but, but I thought it took millions of years to form mountains.

21 posted on 11/09/2007 11:30:34 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever

“But, but, but I thought it took millions of years to form mountains.”

It does.
Mt St Helens is an active stratovolcano.


22 posted on 11/10/2007 12:02:22 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: bkwells

I’d guess St. Helens has blown its top before.

I’d guess that large quantities of snow and ice were entrained inside the volcano as the mountain rebuilt itself last time too.

I’d guess that much of that entrained snow and ice flashed to steam in 1980, and created additional blast pressure, and helped create the massive lahars that followed the 1980 eruption.

Now that we actually see it happening, it’s not hard to apply the phenomena to other strato-volcanoes like Adams and Hood and Rainier and Shasta.


23 posted on 11/10/2007 3:03:59 AM PST by jeffers
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To: bkwells

A few years back when the Mt was doing alot of activity (when the shark fin was really prominent) some dude went up on the lip and shot some video.

Pretty sure they arrested him when he got down but they showed some of the vid on the tube and it was hair-standing-up-on-the-back-of-your-neck creepy.

Constant low rumblings. Rocks as big as houses falling of the crater edge and down into the crater. Unbelievable power. While the guy was shooting it, he kept dropping down to the ground because it was shaking so much and unstable.

I’ve tried for a while to find the vid but was never able to.


24 posted on 11/10/2007 3:21:00 AM PST by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: cripplecreek
LOL...

I was on my way from Wisconsin to Montana the day after Mt. St. Helens errupted. Spent the night in Butte because the ash was so thick. All traffic was halted by the State Patrol.

The dust clouds that we kicked up were amazing.

A month later natives were selling the ash to tourists in bottles.

Capitalism at its best! ; )

25 posted on 11/10/2007 3:41:45 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: bkwells
Standing on Mount St. Helen’s southern rim, Cynthia Gardner sees much more than a smoldering volcano. Like her colleagues at the U.S. Geological Survey, Gardner sees an enormous gift basket packed with scientific marvels.

And some sentient autonomous robotic organisms...


26 posted on 11/10/2007 4:58:09 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: SlowBoat407

Holy Bombs, Moms, look at how much bigger the dome is now!


27 posted on 11/10/2007 5:03:48 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: SlowBoat407

OMG!! Those ARMS are AWESOME!! I’ve bee to MSH but didn’t see this angle...THANKS for the pic!


28 posted on 11/10/2007 6:23:54 AM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy; RaceBannon
I have this site permanently bookmarked, and I check it every couple of weeks. There are some great photos, and even some time lapse movies of the dome formation.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Images/MSH04/framework.html

29 posted on 11/10/2007 7:14:53 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Free commerce is the only just way to redistribute wealth.)
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To: SlowBoat407

I personally like this site better:

http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/

Let’s everyone size it anyway they want to.


30 posted on 11/10/2007 7:22:17 AM PST by casino66 ( If I vote Dem I'll get everything 'free')
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To: taxesareforever
But, but, but I thought it took millions of years to form mountains.

I remember the day after it blew. An Oregonian article quoted a geologist who exclaimed, "We just witnessed 10,000 years of geological history in one day."

Geology is just like evolution, flawed by the desire to eliminate God.

31 posted on 11/10/2007 7:34:41 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: SlowBoat407

That is kewel, I used to look at the web cam once a day, it had great shots, but I forgot all about it! Thanks!


32 posted on 11/10/2007 8:44:51 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: bkwells

bmflr


33 posted on 11/10/2007 8:53:45 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Northern Yankee
The dust clouds that we kicked up were amazing.

Oh, yeah, and then we had that nuclear winter and...oh, nevermind.

34 posted on 11/10/2007 7:07:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (keep the heat on the hillary.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
“But, but, but I thought it took millions of years to form mountains.” It does. Mt St Helens is an active stratovolcano.

Oh yeah, that explains it. NOT!

35 posted on 11/10/2007 11:58:44 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: aimhigh

Absolutely right.


36 posted on 11/10/2007 11:59:51 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: bkwells

About half of the world’s glaciers are advancing, about half retreating.

Few stay static at any time.

But we do only hear about the ones retreating - the rest are ignored.


37 posted on 11/11/2007 12:04:12 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: cogitator

Geo ping.


38 posted on 11/11/2007 12:04:40 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: taxesareforever

“Oh yeah, that explains it. NOT!”

Well,
Ever heard of plate tectonics?

How we can actually measure the speed that land masses move into each other? and that it is verrrrry slow.

Pushing up materials into mountains.

Takes millions of years.

Unless God created an already aged appearing world 6000 years ago just to eff with us.


39 posted on 11/11/2007 12:26:44 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: ken21

Being a geology major I can say that any true scientist will only make a hypothesis about the future, not a prophecy.


40 posted on 11/11/2007 12:30:53 AM PST by LukeL
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