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The Dems' Immigration Dilemma
U.S. News &World Report ^ | November 10, 2007 | Gloria Borger

Posted on 11/12/2007 2:08:51 PM PST by neverdem

For the past year or so, the Republicans handed the Democrats a gift that kept on giving: immigration reform. The GOP was divided—with the president standing firmly against most of his party, calling for a "path to citizenship"—as the Democrats watched the squabbling from the sidelines. Even more to the point, they were absolutely delighted at the prospect of picking up the support of Hispanic voters outraged at the efforts of some Republicans to deport 12 million illegal immigrants. It was a free ride, and Democrats were happy to take it.

The fence along the border in Nogales, Ariz.

The fence along the border in Nogales, Ariz.
(David Butow/Redux for USN&WR)

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Until the wheels came off. Hillary Clinton didn't mean to be the one to do it, but she was. Her struggle with herself over how to handle the issue of driver's licenses for illegal immigrants the other week changed everything. Not only was she caught without a clear idea of how to handle the matter; the entire dais of Democrats sharing the debate stage with her seemed to be a tad undone by the question—and pleased that she had been called on first. That way, they could jump on her for taking both sides of an issue (a fair critique, to be sure) but delay their own answers long enough to figure out how to straddle the matter. And they're still doing it.

It's not hard to figure out why. Immigration is a killer issue, one that cuts so many ways it's hard for a pol to figure out just how to pander: Liberals are against building that fence to keep illegal immigrants out; conservatives are worried the fence won't be tall enough. Most Americans want some form of reform, yet the solutions are literally all over the map, largely constituency-driven. If you're from New England, for instance, your view is likely to be different from that of someone who lives in the Southwest. "I could empathize with Senator Clinton," Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, told me. "I've had to think my way through about what makes sense."

That's a nice way of saying that the Democratic Party—and its candidates—had better get started. And here's the key reason: Independent voters are unhappy that nothing has been done on the matter, and anyone who wants to be president needs to keep independent voters happy. In fact, a recent survey by Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg shows that the top issue underlying the discontent of independents is "unprotected" borders. For these voters, the matter of illegal immigration is a question of breaking laws and not a stalking horse for something else—like racism. The public is practical and wants tougher enforcement. And if the Democrats can't find some way to embrace the principle of the rule of law, then they've got a problem. "We need to have a strategy beyond saying the Republicans are awful," says one top Democratic strategist. "And we don't."

Tough political call. So it's no surprise there's a debate raging within the Democratic Party about what to do. And the sticking point isn't about enforcement; everyone agrees that needs to be stronger. It's about benefits for illegal immigrants. Should taxpayers provide any? And, if so, what are the parameters? It's not an easy political call. "The push for more benefits is a killer," says one Democratic strategist involved in discussions about immigration. "The public doesn't want that, but it's a problem with some Hispanic leaders." Ipso facto, some Democrats—like the ones running for president—are unwilling to take it on.

That's a mistake. There's a smart analogy being offered by Greenberg, and Democrats ought to listen. Given voters' dissatisfaction with the lack of immigration reform, he says, why not actually offer a proposal to do something? It could be, he says, a "welfare moment." As in: Bill Clinton's end-welfare-as-we-know-it pledge in 1992. That plan was a major component of Clinton's success—not only because it painted him as a new kind of Democrat but also because he seemed fearless in his eagerness to tread into waters Democrats had once avoided. Clinton's willingness to take on the issue was essential to changing—and shaping—the debate. It also transformed him into a leader. Now Hillary Clinton has the opportunity to do something similar, if she has the guts. The first candidate who gets there should get the credit.

Of course, that could well be Barack Obama or any other Democrat if Hillary Clinton's penchant for caution remains. That is, unless her husband can talk her out of it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; aliens; clinton; election; hillary; hillaryclinton; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 11/12/2007 2:08:52 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Democrats can't find some way to embrace the principle of the rule of law, then they've got a problem.

It's not a matter of "can't find a way" but more accurately not wanting to embrace the rull of law.

Most Americans want some form of reform

We don't need reformation of immigration laws. We need the existing immigration laws strictly enforced by those who have the authority. The only reform needed is the attitude of politicians who have blocked effective enforcement. The people will have to drag politicians kicking and screaming to the realization of strong enforcement by keeping the pressure on politicians. The adage politicians don't lead, they follow certainly applies to immigration laws.
2 posted on 11/12/2007 2:23:33 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: neverdem
The dems are in a dilemma because they are their own worst enemies. Spitzer in NY personifies a party so out of touch with the country and with reality. If numskulls like this want to play hardball then that's what they'll get:

Spitzer on Licenses

Despite some news stories to the contrary, Eliot Spitzer, speaking earlier today at a New York City Veterans Day event stressed that he’s not about to toss his drivers license plan overboard, although he also stressed several times, that he’s listening to other points of view.

“I don’t think I said there is going to be a change or a delay. This is a tough issue,'’ Spitzer said during a Q&A session. “Part of my job is to explain it to the public.'’

‘’Part of leadership is taking tough positions because you are doing what you believe is correct,'’ he added. “Part of leadership is to listen.'’

“It’s complicated but we believe it’s right.'’

How's that for arrogance, a typical elitist democrat. I'll listen to what you have to say but then I'll ram it down your throat anyway.

Can't wait to see how this one gets past the lawsuits, the NYS Senate and public opinion.

3 posted on 11/12/2007 2:23:34 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: neverdem
Did anyone see Neil Cavuto today? Well.... he had on the guy from Boston talking about our Primadonnas in Congress. If you were half awake this interview would have surely awakened you. He was talking about Senators who voted against making English the official language of America. I went to his web site and his language is not for the faint-hearted! He is vulgar and crude, however, I agree completely with him. Do I dare put the link and risk being banned!

Warning! Do not click on the link if you will be offended by bad language. I'm not fooling ya!

Here

4 posted on 11/12/2007 2:24:35 PM PST by notaliberal
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To: notaliberal

That guy is saying out loud what a lot of us think to ourselves.


5 posted on 11/12/2007 2:31:09 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

You are right, but wow, the language!


6 posted on 11/12/2007 2:36:50 PM PST by notaliberal
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To: notaliberal

Yup it’s definitely not ready for prime time. :)


7 posted on 11/12/2007 2:41:23 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I thought Michael Savage was strong!!! Apparently, from what Cavuto says, this guy had over a million views on Youtube!


8 posted on 11/12/2007 2:44:14 PM PST by notaliberal
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To: notaliberal

That was a hoot! He needs to run for office...


9 posted on 11/12/2007 2:45:07 PM PST by tje
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To: notaliberal
Apparently, from what Cavuto says, this guy had over a million views on Youtube!

And except for the illegal aliens screaming racist I'll bet everyone was cheering him on.

10 posted on 11/12/2007 2:46:34 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I am the Guy from Boston.

The senators are low lifes no doubt about it.


11 posted on 11/12/2007 2:53:48 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: Mojohemi

Should all write the alleged senators a letter, tell them again how we dispise each one of them and sign the letter

The Guy From Boston.


12 posted on 11/12/2007 2:56:11 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Fight for your Rights
13 posted on 11/12/2007 3:00:15 PM PST by notaliberal
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To: Mojohemi

Don’t stop what you’re doing, we need a lot a more of it to wake the people up in this country.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 3:00:21 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Mojohemi

Tell us how you really feel!


15 posted on 11/12/2007 3:01:15 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: notaliberal

Bump for later view.


16 posted on 11/12/2007 3:04:11 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: neverdem

Not just the ‘Rats. The RINOs, too....


17 posted on 11/12/2007 3:05:27 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
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"Here"

18 posted on 11/12/2007 3:15:57 PM PST by notaliberal
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To: neverdem; Dane
In fact, a recent survey by Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg shows that the top issue underlying the discontent of independents is "unprotected" borders. For these voters, the matter of illegal immigration is a question of breaking laws and not a stalking horse for something else—like racism. The public is practical and wants tougher enforcement. And if the Democrats can't find some way to embrace the principle of the rule of law, then they've got a problem. "We need to have a strategy beyond saying the Republicans are awful," says one top Democratic strategist. "And we don't."

But our own lib says that this is bogus, isn't that correct dane.

19 posted on 11/12/2007 3:17:58 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: neverdem
Americans are opposed to amnesty. Its amazing the clueless MSM and the Democrats keep missing where public opinion is on the immigration issue.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

20 posted on 11/12/2007 3:20:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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