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Full human clones ‘a matter of time’
The Times London ^ | Nov 11, 2007 | Claire Keeton

Posted on 11/12/2007 3:22:12 PM PST by BenLurkin

Unless the world bans human cloning it may be just a matter of time until we share the Earth with exact copies. This is according to a major UN policy analysis released this morning.

The report’s authors propose outlawing human reproductive cloning while allowing restricted therapeutic cloning as the most viable “compromise” option for the international community to adopt.

South Africa’s proposed regulations on cloning are in line with this compromise: permitting the use of human eggs to create stem cells for therapeutic and research purposes — but still prohibiting reproductive cloning.

Professor Jacquie Greenberg, the associate professor with the Human Genetics Research Group at UCT, says: “The guidelines are specifically for stem cell use which is what the debate pivots around.”

The Health Department is expected to finalise its regulations on therapeutic cloning, which are governed by the National Health Act, by the end of this year.

A deadlock over cloning at a UN General Assembly in 2005 blocked the adoption of an international convention and resulted instead in the non-binding UN Declaration on Cloning.

One of the report’s authors, Brendan Tobin from the Irish Centre for Human Rights, says: “The failure to adopt an international convention on therapeutic cloning means that reproductive cloning is inadequately controlled ... and it is inevitable. There are maverick scientists who are continuing with experimentation.”

He adds that they can move across borders if they run into national restrictions, given the lack of global control.

“As science improves we are likely to reach a stage where human cloning can be done effectively ... This science may become acceptable 20 or 30 years down the line, but will the world be ready to accept cloned individuals?”

Tobin believes the international community will have a responsibility to protect the human rights of cloned individuals if human cloning is not banned. Essentially the choices come down to this: prevent human cloning by acting soon or work towards preventing discrimination against clones.

The UN report, Is Human Reproductive Cloning Inevitable? Future Options for UN Governance, urges the world community to revisit the issue before “science overtakes policy”.

Co-author and Sheffield University legal academic Chamundeeswari Kuppuswamy explains: “Licences are being granted for therapeutic cloning, which means in time scientists will perfect the technique for human reproductive cloning.”

Research or therapeutic cloning is intended to produce cells or, in the future, tissues and organs, which genetically match the donor and can potentially cure many common and dread diseases.

Reproductive cloning, on the other hand, is meant to duplicate a person or an animal. Cloned animals to date include a rhesus monkey, mice, sheep, pigs, cows and dogs.

Greenberg said: “I’m surprised that [human] cloning hasn’t happened. I think it’s very possible but I’m not sure whether it’s probable given all the checks and balances ... A lot of experimentation has been done, I have no doubt ... behind closed doors.

“Whether it’s been successful I have reservations; however, I’m much more concerned about the failures and the human suffering from such failures.

“This is not science fiction.”

Greenberg added: “What is necessary now is therapeutic cloning, which will undoubtedly benefit humanity in the long run. It needs to be done with extreme caution and with very strict scientific control. As long as we adhere to this we are not on a slippery slope. We have wonderful scientists and they are very responsible. Therapeutic cloning can be done here and should be done here.”

Bio-ethicist and Wits University’s acting director for the Institute for Human Evolution, Professor Trefor Jenkins, agreed: “Stem cell research holds a lot of promise though not much has been realised yet. No responsible scientist would try to clone a human being with the current state of knowledge. It is hazardous.”

The objections to human cloning largely revolve around three concerns:

Scientific — underdeveloped technologies will produce clones with serious deformities or degenerative diseases;

Ethical or religious — producing and destroying living embryos to harvest stem cells is wrong, and that people are tampering with the sacred cycles of life and natural selection; and

Moral — cloning could lead to the commoditisation of life.

Kuppuswamy said: “Representatives of countries such as Uganda and Nigeria raised concerns that women in poorer countries could be exploited for the purposes of their eggs for therapeutic cloning.”

Jenkins said: “The only objection I’m aware of really ... [concerns] early stage embryos. If you think they have the same respect as human beings do after they have been born then you can’t do any research.”

But he added: “There is an abundance of such embryos in any surgery or institution doing IVF [in vitro fertilisation]. The appeal is to make use of these embryos with the parents’ consent or to wash them down the sink.

“From a utilitarian point of view you can use them for what you believe is the good of humankind.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: madscientists

1 posted on 11/12/2007 3:22:13 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

nuke the un.


2 posted on 11/12/2007 3:24:18 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (keep the heat on the hillary.)
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To: BenLurkin

A segment of Mankind has always dreamed of playing GOD. I find it hard to believe we won’t see both clones and attempts at genetical master humans sometime in the not too distant future.


3 posted on 11/12/2007 3:26:50 PM PST by umgud (the profound is only so to those that it is)
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To: umgud

Yup.


4 posted on 11/12/2007 3:34:53 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
oh we've already seen identical cousins a long time ago

5 posted on 11/12/2007 3:36:56 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: umgud

genetical master humans? probably not. we will see more abortions though


6 posted on 11/12/2007 3:37:59 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

This will be the mechanism with which gays will reproduce.


7 posted on 11/12/2007 3:59:37 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: BenLurkin
It’s going to happen, laws or not. Scientific advances are impossible to push back into the bottle once uncorked, one need only look at Iran and North Korea to see that.

The question is, how are we going to treat these people once they exist? Will they be afforded all the rights and protections of other people, or will they be livestock?

Outlaw the tech and you guarantee a black market for organs harvested from clones or even the potential for custom designed slaves. Carefully regulate the field and you will be in a position to prevent a much worse situation than a baby simply being born in a tank.

8 posted on 11/12/2007 4:20:09 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You could have a clone go to jail for you.

you could send a clone to work while you stay home.

you could have a clone on ice for spare parts.

you could have a clone as a food taster in case someone tries to poison you.

if a bully picks on you , you can send the clone to kick his ass, and if He looses, just keep sending more untill they win.

you can have clones work many jobs resulting in a great Life style for yourself, while they all sleep in the closet.

you can have your clone go to all the booring Family functions and Company Partys.

If your wife is good looking, clone her for double the pleasure.

If your wife is ugly, have your clone perform the “Unpleasantrys” of Husbandly duty.

if you get drafted, send the Clone.

If you get tight for cash, take out some life insurance on one of the clones...

we could clone one guy about fifty thousand times and put them all in one army...send them in to kill the enemy, and when They see the same guy they killed yesterday come back again, they will all go insane!


9 posted on 11/12/2007 4:33:14 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
Terrible movie . . .

Go

. . . thought provoking premise.

10 posted on 11/12/2007 4:43:40 PM PST by Oratam (")
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To: LtKerst
send the Clone.

Oh, man, didn't Judy Collins sing about that?

11 posted on 11/12/2007 6:12:18 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (keep the heat on the hillary.)
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It’s possible that God made humans so they can’t be cloned. As I understand it human cells require 2 DNA spindles where other animals only require 1. In cloning only 1 spindle is available (the one in the egg cell).


12 posted on 11/12/2007 6:14:17 PM PST by webboy45
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To: BenLurkin
"Clone me, doctor memory".

Kudos to the first one that remembers that line. It's rather obscure, perhaps circa 1969 or so.

13 posted on 11/12/2007 6:16:56 PM PST by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: ari-freedom

Old Ben remembers.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 6:17:15 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

“Will they be afforded all the rights and protections of other people, [?}”

Probably. They an identical twin — a sibling.


15 posted on 11/12/2007 6:19:51 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: TheThirdRuffian

This is also the method that many homosexuals and other limitless sex perverts will use to raise up designer targets to exploit. This was predicted by those ‘far right wing’ conservative religious folks many decades ago. They always had and have more accurate vision and insight.


16 posted on 11/12/2007 6:32:25 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: BenLurkin
Probably. They an identical twin — a sibling.

It's not a certainty. I've heard some nut-jobs say they wouldn't have a soul since they aren't born of woman.

The way I see it, born or decanted, if it comes from human genes it's as human as you or I.
17 posted on 11/12/2007 7:22:06 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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