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Evolution: hacking back the tree of life (can anyone say DEVOLUTION?)
New Scientist ^ | June 13, 2007 | Laura Spinney

Posted on 11/14/2007 4:00:52 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: GodGunsGuts

21 posted on 11/14/2007 4:44:32 PM PST by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The evolutionary tree is constantly changing. Every new textbook has its own drawing. This is not to say that the evolutionary path of life from the rock bacteria to our exalted selves has changed at all, but our sleuthing out of how it was is updated all the time. Sometimes they even change the classifications altogether as they try to make some kind of coherent sense of the data collected so far. Even just a hundred years ago when Einstein had his big year 1905 the whole game was the one and only galaxy and it was only a billion years old. More data and more all the time and the picture has to change. It’s good or there would be little point to writing a doctoral thesis anymore.


22 posted on 11/14/2007 4:45:06 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Not so fast. There is no fossil evidence for a single trunk. As Stephen Jay Gould explains, the evidence points in the opposite direction:

The history of most fossil species include two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:

1) Stasis - most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless;

2) Sudden appearance - in any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and ‘fully formed’.

Gould, S.J. (1977)
“Evolution’s Erratic Pace”
Natural History, vol. 86, May


23 posted on 11/14/2007 4:46:41 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The dominant pattern in nature is Devolution, not Evolution.

Devolution is Evolution. They are exactly the same. Why do we have two words? Because we can.

24 posted on 11/14/2007 4:47:20 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Paradox

LOL


25 posted on 11/14/2007 4:47:37 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Stasis - most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth.

They would remain in their form since they are fully evolved as such. Every species we see on earth now is fully evolved and would not exhibit directional change. If something evolves from that it would be a new species.

26 posted on 11/14/2007 4:49:46 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: muawiyah
None of this supports Creationism. It does, however, strongly suggest separate origins

Seperate origins is not Darwinian evolution. No where did the article even suggest this to be the case. All they do is suggest that these ancestors are likely to be more complex than their descedents.

Furthermore, no evolutionist, getting paid by our taxes, would ever make a statement like yours. It would be the equivalent of stating "please shut off all our funding, our work is bogus." Not going to happen. The college deans would go nuts over anything that would threaten their revenue stream.

27 posted on 11/14/2007 4:50:03 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: GodGunsGuts
Just as I suspected. The evidence in favor of creation is growing with each passing day.

I read the article and didn't come to that conclusion. Could you throw me some evidence for that statement.

28 posted on 11/14/2007 4:51:57 PM PST by Zdenek
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To: GodGunsGuts
Darwin’s TOE is on the way out.

Yes. So is this mighty creationist idea. There is another idea that has nothing to do with stochastics.

29 posted on 11/14/2007 4:52:50 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale

==Devolution is Evolution. They are exactly the same. Why do we have two words? Because we can.

They are not the same. The TOE would have us believe that life’s pattern is best represented by a single tree that began with lower organisms that evolve into higher organisms. Creationists believe life’s pattern displays just the opposite. Namely, that life began with the creation of the highest organisms, and is slowly devolving into lower organisms. Big difference.


30 posted on 11/14/2007 4:54:23 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Zdenek

==I read the article and didn’t come to that conclusion. Could you throw me some evidence for that statement.

www.detectingdesign.com


31 posted on 11/14/2007 4:55:32 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Gould, S.J.

If you're familiar with Gould's work, perhaps you're also familiar with the fact that that quote is taken from his work on the theory of punctuated equilibrium, in which rapid changes in an organism spark fantastic changes over a short period of evolutionary history, and many organisms spend the vast majority of their species existence uniformly unchanged.

Of course, if you're quoting one of the pre-eminent evolutionists of our time as an argument against evolution, perhaps you were NOT aware of that.
32 posted on 11/14/2007 4:55:33 PM PST by ThinkClearly
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"While nobody disagrees that there has been a general trend towards complexity - humans are indisputably more complicated than amoebas"

You do have to have a very fertile imagination to be an evolutionist. And also be most credulous.

33 posted on 11/14/2007 4:58:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The TOE doesn’t require or infer increasing complexity. That is a later addition by exegetes of limited cognizance. Stochastics has nothing to do with it either, but that is a different idea.


34 posted on 11/14/2007 4:58:26 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Diplomat
Why not? It certainly suggests that more support for the space program is in order doesn't it.

Remember the old "missing link" business? What we have here are some "missing classes, orders and families" ~ a lot more than a "link" sort of thing.

None of this is surprising if life, per se, in all of its various locations throughout the universe, shares the same fundamental engines ~ they should be expected to be shuffled a bit differently (but otherwise utilize the same DNA) coming from different places.

35 posted on 11/14/2007 4:59:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ThinkClearly
I am well aware of SJ Gould’s attempt to reconcile evolution with the fossil record (as is most everybody on FR). My point is that Darwinists have been forced to admit the facts in evidence, both in terms of the Cambrian Explosion and now in terms of gene loss (devolution) being a major driver of speciation/specialization.
36 posted on 11/14/2007 4:59:43 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor
nobody disagrees that there has been a general trend towards complexity - humans are indisputably more complicated than amoebas

There is not a general trend toward complexity, and humans are not more complicated than amoebas. Wherever that 'nobody' statement came from it can go back now.

37 posted on 11/14/2007 5:01:05 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So, evolution as the development of traits and characteristics that differentiate one species from another should now be considered DE-evolution because species are developing traits and characteristics that differentiate themselves from one another?

I see...
38 posted on 11/14/2007 5:02:50 PM PST by ThinkClearly
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To: muawiyah
more support for the space program is in order

That would be fine with me, but the purpose of the space program is not actually to search for life or even to do science. It has a state purpose.

39 posted on 11/14/2007 5:03:21 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: ThinkClearly

I think it was the part about the critters losing their brains. That’s rather serious you know.


40 posted on 11/14/2007 5:04:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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