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Russia sect holes up in cave to await end of world (threatening to blow themselves up)
Reuters (U.K.) ^ | November 15, 2007 | Tatyana Ustinova

Posted on 11/15/2007 3:11:23 PM PST by Stoat

Russia sect holes up in cave to await end of world

Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:53am GMT
 

 
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By Tatyana Ustinova

MOSCOW (Reuters) - At least 30 members of a Russian doomsday cult have barricaded themselves in a remote cave to await the end of the world and are threatening to commit suicide if police intervene, officials and media said on Thursday.

"They have covered the entrance and refuse to come out and are threatening to blow themselves up," an official in the local prosecutor's office told Reuters by telephone. "They threaten to detonate a gas tank and blow themselves up."

The cult members, who include 29 adults and four children, are hidden inside a snow-covered hillside in the Penza region of central Russia. A Penza police spokeswoman said they had moved into the dug-out on November 7.

"No one wants to take on the responsibility of provoking them ... because our information is that there are children among them," said the official.

They are thought to have taken food and fuel supplies in with them and Russian television pictures from the scene showed smoke or steam coming out of a hole in the snow-covered ravine where it was built.

A police patrol was guarding the area to prevent anyone provoking them.

"They are simple Christians," a local priest, Father Georgy, told NTV television station. "They say: 'The church is doing a bad job, the end of the world is coming soon and we are all saving ourselves'."

Media reports said the cult members believed the world would end sometime in May next year. Police expected them to emerge when their supplies ran out.

 

After decades of state-enforced atheism under Soviet rule, many Russians and other ex-Soviet nationals have come under the influence of home-grown and foreign sects.

Many Russians have refused new passports and taxpayers' personal identification numbers, saying the figures contained "satanic" combinations of numbers.

Izvestia newspaper said the leader of the cult, Pyotr Kuznetsov, had been detained by police. It said he was a 43-year-old who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and that in the last few months he had been sleeping in a coffin.

Police took Kuznetsov to the cave to persuade his followers to come out but without success, said the newspaper.

(Reporting by Tatyana Ustinova; writing by Dmitry Solovyov; editing by Philippa Fletcher)



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: cult; doomsday; doomsdaycult; endoftheworld; endofworld; kuznetsov; nikolskoye; penza; poganovka; russia
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RussiaToday Features Russian cult goes underground to await apocalypse
Almost 30 Russians from the Penza region have decided to live underground because they believe the end of the world is nigh. They are all members of a cult called the True Russian Orthodox Church.

The cult members say the world will come to an end in six months time.

The authorities have tried to evict them from the caves they're living in, but the group members say they'll burn themselves alive rather than allow that to happen.

Undaunted, the local authorities are trying legal means. They've issued warrants against the cult saying they are living in their caves without the proper legal documents.

“These people have caught the attention of law-enforcement authorities when they began living without passports. Police checked all of them and prepared all the necessary documents. That was going on during September and October. After that they disappeared and we thought they just moved. But it turns out they didn't,” says prosecutor Valentina Volchkova.

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"These people have caught the attention of law-enforcement authorities when they began living without passports."

I suppose, then, that law enforcement wouldn't have minded if thirty people with proper passports had gone into a cave with children and had threatened to blow themselves up if disturbed before the Apocalypse.

Communism dies very slowly....the primary concern is not the welfare of the people but in whether or not The State has had an opportunity to properly document them.

 

21 posted on 11/15/2007 5:04:08 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Bye then.


22 posted on 11/15/2007 5:07:03 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Stoat

Yikes, I pray for the children. Hopefully the Russians will find a peaceful solution. I wonder how Janet Reno is doing these days?


23 posted on 11/15/2007 5:21:00 PM PST by TBall
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To: TBall
Hopefully the Russians will find a peaceful solution

Historically, these sorts of things haven't typically turned out well, have they?

I pray for the children.

That's about all we can do.

24 posted on 11/15/2007 5:25:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: TXnMA

I’m reminded of an episode of Mythbusters about a guy trying to flush a raccoon out of a culvert with gasoline.


25 posted on 11/15/2007 5:27:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Stoat

Sects in caves now, it that what we’re talking about?


26 posted on 11/15/2007 5:30:22 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Sects in caves now, it that what we’re talking about?

LMAO!

The (fevered) imagination races with possibilities......

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27 posted on 11/15/2007 5:52:16 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

If you note some of the pictures in previous posts show cops — so, you could call it protected sects.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 5:53:41 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Stoat

See, now that’s the right way to promote intelligent design!


29 posted on 11/15/2007 5:55:03 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
If you note some of the pictures in previous posts show cops — so, you could call it protected sects.

Oh lawd....

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30 posted on 11/15/2007 5:59:49 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

This story reminds me of a D&D session I once had...

DM: “You enter what looks like a magician’s laboratory. You see a lot of beakers, glass instruments containing other liquids, bunsen burners, etc.”

Gamer 1: “I turn one of the burners off.”

Gamer 2 (who is with Gamer 1, and who is apparently using his brain): “No!!!!”

DM (asking Gamer 1): “You turn a burner off?”

Gamer 1: “Uh, sure.”

DM (talking to Gamers 3-xx): “Okay, this is what you hear: ‘thump, thump, boom—no, wait: BOOM! thump! thump!”

I could have choked him that day...


31 posted on 11/15/2007 6:00:15 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: durasell
See, now that’s the right way to promote intelligent design!

Sadly, my guess is that the reality of the matter in this case is quite different... "sigh"

 

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32 posted on 11/15/2007 6:09:55 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

LOL!


33 posted on 11/15/2007 6:25:18 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Stoat

Uhh ... if they don’t have any hostages ... who cares ?


34 posted on 11/15/2007 6:45:06 PM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Romneyfor President2008
the figures contained "satanic" combinations of numbers."

Well, they're right about that!

Name three "satanic" combinations of numbers.

35 posted on 11/15/2007 6:49:28 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.©)
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To: RS
Uhh ... if they don’t have any hostages ... who cares ?

Well, according to the story update posted at # 21, authorities are involved because the people don't have the correct passports and documentation.

In Russia, it seems that you're not allowed to take children into a cave and blow yourselves up without proper documents.

36 posted on 11/15/2007 6:53:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: humblegunner

The SSN? LOL


37 posted on 11/15/2007 6:58:07 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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UPDATE

Cult awaits end of days in cave after leader's arrest - CNN.com

Cult awaits end of days in cave after leader's arrest

  • Story Highlights
  • Four children, one 18 months old, are among cult members holed up in cave
     
  • Cult leader to face charges he set up a violent organization, news agency reports
     
  • News agency: Cult members have threatened to commit suicide if police use force
     
  • The "true Russian Orthodox Church" believes end of the world is coming in May

 

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Members of a Russian doomsday cult barricaded themselves in a cave to wait out the end of the world as the cult's leader underwent psychiatric exams Thursday, Russian media reported.

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The cult, which calls itself the "true Russian Orthodox Church," believes the world will end in May.

The cult leader is in police custody awaiting proceedings on charges that he set up an organization "whose activity is associated with violence on citizens and instigation to refuse to perform their civil duties," according to the state-funded Itar-Tass news agency.

Four children are among 29 cult members holed up in a ravine in Russia's Penza region, where they apparently dug a cave.

One of the children in the cave is 18 months old, reported Itar-Tass. Temperatures in the cave are below 54 degrees Fahrenheit (12 degrees Celsius), the Russian news agency reported.

The cult members have refused law enforcement requests to come out or release the children, and they have threatened to commit suicide if police resort to force, according to Russian state television.

The cult, which calls itself the "true Russian Orthodox Church," believes the end of the world will come in May 2008.

Prosecutors announced Thursday they are opening criminal proceedings against the cult's leader, Father Pyotr Kuznetsov. Kuznetsov, 43, is "under the supervision of investigators," Olig Troshin, a Penza prosecutor, told Itar-Tass.

A law enforcement source in Penza told the Russian news agency Interfax that Kuznetsov "is being examined by psychiatrists."

Several clergymen, police officers and agents of the Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations are outside the cave.

"It is obviously some kind of insanity," Mitropolitan Kirill, a high-ranking Russian Orthodox Church official, told Russian television. "It is perhaps even a medical case. A very dangerous phenomena is happening in Russia's religious life."

He added, "What we're seeing in Penza right now is a most vivid example of what could happen to a country, to a society, if this society is deprived of proper religious education."


38 posted on 11/15/2007 7:19:53 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: cripplecreek

Each morning, our welders used to “flush” rattlesnakes and jackrabbits out of the 30” gas pipeline we were building across NM with acetylene from a cutting torch and a sparking igniter. I’ve seen “smokin’ jacks” tumble over 100 feet across the desert...


39 posted on 11/15/2007 8:43:32 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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ITAR-TASS


 

Criminal proceedings opened against Penza sect leader
 

15.11.2007, 18.30

 

MOSCOW, November 15 (Itar-Tass) - Prosecutors in the Penza region opened criminal proceedings against sect leader Pyotr Kuznetsov whose supporters had holed up in a gully and refuse to talk with authorities.

Kuznetsov is "under the supervision of investigators," head of the regional investigations department under the Prosecutor General's Office Oleg Troshin told Itar-Tass.

"He's under our supervision; a criminal case has been opened against him under Article 239 of Russia’s Criminal Code (setting up a religious or public organization whose activity is associated with violence on citizens and instigation to refuse to perform their civil duties," Troshin said.

Investigators "haven't ascertained the motives of this move by the sect members who call themselves representatives of "the true Russian Orthodox Church."

They refuse contact with the regional authorities or law-enforcers. On the slope of the gully where some 30 sect members, including four children, dug out a cave and barricaded themselves, a detail of police officers has been on round-the-clock watch.

Police said the sect is awaiting "doomsday." They have a stock of food, and warned the authorities that in case police made an attempt to force their way inside, they would blow up their tunnels with the gas containers they had stored.

The temperature in caves does not exceed 12 degrees Celsius. The youngest child kept by the sect is just 18 months old.

Father Pyotr, 43, did not let his followers watch television, listen to the radio, or touch money, prosecutors said.

He is to undergo a psychiatric expert examination. The sect leader may be fined 200,000 roubles or sentenced to there years in jail.


40 posted on 11/15/2007 11:33:09 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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