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To: radar101

Ridiculous.Today’s “abuse” was SOP 40 years ago in all service branches.


11 posted on 11/15/2007 5:22:29 PM PST by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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When I went through basic training in 1968 a training cooked off a grenade in violation of instructions and accidentally dropped it. A quick reacting drill instructor tossed over the wall before it exploded. The drill instructors formed a circle and put the trainee in the center. They passed him from one drill instructor to the other each one punching and slapping him. We all got the message and nothing further happen to the kid after he got his behind whipped. I saw many other things that were worse than what this DI is charged with, and all of it seemed to be geared to making sure that we got the message.

I think that much of the “abuse” we received actually made us focus a lot better.


14 posted on 11/15/2007 5:33:59 PM PST by DMZFrank
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It certainly wasn’t in the Army in 1970.

This kind of hazing is totally unnecessary.


15 posted on 11/15/2007 5:40:48 PM PST by tundra1946
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Yep, things like that were SOP 40 years ago and still were 38 years ago when I experienced boot camp. We had drill instructors who did worse things. We also had a couple of DIs who were sadistic bastards who did some things that were over the edge. They were courts martialed for what they did and rightly so. Whether the rules are different now than they were then has nothing to do with anything. There were boundaries and rules you adhered to then as a DI and there are boundaries and rules for DIs now. The Corps wants marines who will be disciplined and follow the regulations at all times. That discipline is the basis for greatness that the Marines have achieved and if you break discipline you can be held liable to pay the price and worse yet your fellow marines might end up paying with you in a combat situation. This guy paid the price for not maintaining his self-discipline. Enduring torture is not the point of boot camp, that training comes later after the discipline is ingrained in the new marine. Recruits observing a superior doing something that is clearly outside of regulations are being given a crappy example.


18 posted on 11/15/2007 6:01:03 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Apercu

Ridiculous.Today’s “abuse” was SOP 40 years ago in all service branches.

Let’s see. 40 years ago we lost 37,000 personnel and they went through this type of training. Today we have lost 3,800 personnel with the new training. Which one works more effectively? Not too difficult to figure it out.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 8:45:06 PM PST by napscoordinator
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