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Giuliani Vexes Audiences With His Abortion Views
New York Times ^

Posted on 11/16/2007 8:07:43 PM PST by jaybeegee

...Giuliani has made the case that while he believes that abortions are wrong, he thinks the ultimate decision of whether to have them should be up to women, and not the government....

It is a position that has confused some people ....

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One member of the audience, M. Edward Whelan III, the president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, said he would have liked to hear Mr. Giuliani more explicitly oppose the Roe v. Wade decision, even if he supports abortion rights.

“I thought it was a strong statement of the general principles that ought to govern the role of judges,” said Mr. Whelan....

“Given the mixed signals that Rudy Giuliani has given in the past on abortion, I think it’s unfortunate that he didn’t use this occasion to clarify his understanding of how those principles apply.”

People on the other side of the debate are also looking for clarity. Kelli Conlon of Naral Pro-Choice New York, recalled that Mr. Giuliani had put her on his transition team when he was elected mayor and issued proclamations to mark the anniversary of Roe v. Wade. But Ms. Conlon said she was troubled to hear him say that he would appoint justices in the model of Justices Scalia and Thomas. [snip] [Said Conlon] “We really feel like, out of the glare of the cameras, we have to sit down with him and his colleagues and ask, which is the real Rudy Giuliani?”

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And he spoke about religion in the public sphere. “I cannot figure out where some imperative exists to take the words ‘under God’ out of the Pledge of Allegiance, or to ban the mention of the 10 amendments in a public square,” he said, after discussing the Bill of Rights. Then he corrected himself: “The 10 Commandments.”

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Ten amendments?

“We really feel like, out of the glare of the cameras, we have to sit down with him and his colleagues and ask, which is the real Rudy Giuliani?”

1 posted on 11/16/2007 8:07:44 PM PST by jaybeegee
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To: jaybeegee

Ah, yes … killing their babies should be left up to the mother … got’cha.


2 posted on 11/16/2007 8:10:58 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: jaybeegee

He was for it before he was against it before he was sort of against it before he was for it and against it.


3 posted on 11/16/2007 8:11:40 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: jaybeegee

There IS no real Rudy!


4 posted on 11/16/2007 8:11:46 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: jaybeegee

Small Freudian slip on Giuliani’s part as he’s talking about the removal of the bill of rights from the public square. Something in line with his expansive executive and federal powers view.


5 posted on 11/16/2007 8:12:18 PM PST by Nova442 ("Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War.")
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To: jaybeegee

This is just a different version of Hillary’s I’m for drivers licenses for illegal aliens but I ‘m against giving drivers licenses for illegals aliens socialist spin.


6 posted on 11/16/2007 8:15:48 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: jaybeegee
he thinks the ultimate decision of whether to have them should be up to women

Can you define "women" for us, mr rumpranger?

Because a 15 year old GIRL, is NOT a woman.

When I lived in NYC, my neighbor's 15 year old daughter got an abortion. She didn't tell her Mom and Dad, because she didn't have to! The school nurse took her to the clinic, allowed her to use a false name, and helped her with all the arraignments.

Do you know how her parents found out? My daughter told me, and I told them.

This is rooty's idea of "abortion should be up to the woman."
7 posted on 11/16/2007 8:16:50 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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whether to have them should be up to women, and not the government....

Right, the government should just pay for it.

8 posted on 11/16/2007 8:16:58 PM PST by DManA
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To: jaybeegee

Hillary made an unqualified bar bouncer, security head
in the WH.

Rudy made his unqualified driver, police chief and
pimped him as homeland security chief.

Not much difference between the two!


9 posted on 11/16/2007 8:18:55 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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Because a 15 year old GIRL, is NOT a woman.

If she's pregnant, she sure is.

By definition.

10 posted on 11/16/2007 8:19:04 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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Oh, sure. He’s going to appoint conservative judges, but he won’t ask them what they think before he nominates them. No litmus tests or questions.

I think I’ve heard that one before. It resulted in David Souter.


11 posted on 11/16/2007 8:21:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: doc1019
...killing their babies should be left up to the mother...

That's the way it is now and has been for a long, long time.

12 posted on 11/16/2007 8:22:09 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Jim Noble

No, she is a 15 year old adolescent that is pregnant. By definition.


13 posted on 11/16/2007 8:23:11 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Rudder

Doesn’t make it right.


14 posted on 11/16/2007 8:24:51 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: jaybeegee

Yea ,,The South’s gonna love this Boy..


15 posted on 11/16/2007 8:28:06 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tomorrow!)
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Ten amendments?

We're supposed to be grateful he didn't call them the "ten suggestions."

16 posted on 11/16/2007 8:31:27 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: doc1019

Who, then, would make it right-—and by doing what?


17 posted on 11/16/2007 8:32:33 PM PST by Rudder
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To: doc1019
Ah, yes … killing their babies should be left up to the mother … got’cha.

That's certainly Fred Thompson's view.

"The ultimate decision must be made by the woman." Fred Thompson 1994

"I have always — and that’s been my position the entire time I’ve been in politics. I thought Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. I think this platform originally came out as a response, particularly Roe v. Wade, because of that. Before Roe v. Wade, states made those decisions. I think people ought to be free, state and local levels, to make decisions that even Fred Thompson disagrees with." Fred Thompson, 2007

18 posted on 11/16/2007 8:38:45 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: jaybeegee

The real Rudy is one evil bastard,


19 posted on 11/16/2007 8:38:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Rudder

Nothing, except the emanate physical death of the mother without an abortion, makes it right …


20 posted on 11/16/2007 8:43:58 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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