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Parents Ordered to Court for Kids' Shots
The Associated Press ^ | Nov 17, 2007 | MATTHEW BARAKAT

Posted on 11/17/2007 1:45:09 PM PST by Baladas

Hundreds of grumbling parents facing a threat of jail lined up at a courthouse Saturday to either prove that their school-age kids already had their required vaccinations or see that the youngsters submitted to the needle.

The get-tough policy in the Washington suburbs of Prince George's County was one of the strongest efforts made by any U.S. school system to ensure its youngsters receive their required immunizations.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: health; immunization; judicalactivism; medicine; publiceducation; publicheath; socialism; vaccination
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1 posted on 11/17/2007 1:45:10 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Baladas; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


2 posted on 11/17/2007 1:47:31 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: Baladas
The get-tough policy in the Washington suburbs of Prince George's County was one of the strongest efforts made by any U.S. school system to ensure its youngsters receive their required immunizations.

Not your youngsters.......its youngsters.

3 posted on 11/17/2007 1:52:42 PM PST by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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To: Baladas

U.S. school system ,, to ensure __its__ youngsters receive their required immunizations.

Breeders,,..?,,Glad ours are grown and American..


4 posted on 11/17/2007 1:57:23 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tomorrow!)
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To: Baladas

But they’re free!


5 posted on 11/17/2007 1:58:34 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Baladas

“Two months into the school year, school officials realized that more than 2,000 students in the county still didn’t have the vaccinations they were supposed to have before attending class.”

Why were these children allowed to start school?


6 posted on 11/17/2007 2:18:31 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Baladas

I would like to point out that the photo of the little girl getting a shot in the article at the link is a stock photo rented from the Corbis photo agency and stuck onto the story— and a very politically correct stock photo—not a real photo of any of the actual parents or children involved.


7 posted on 11/17/2007 2:20:40 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: Albion Wilde

That’s an important point in my opinion. Thanks for making it.

I’ll bet those on this this thread who are going balistic at the infringement of “Citizen’s Rights”, would change their tune if they could see who was showing up to get shots for their kids and find out what their immigration status was.


8 posted on 11/17/2007 2:27:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Albion Wilde
Really? I believe it, just wondering how you happened to know that. From the article:

The judge noted the unhappy looks of some of the kids in line waiting for vaccinations. "It's cute. It looks like their parents are dragging them to church," Nichols said.

9 posted on 11/17/2007 2:27:54 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Tennessee Nana
Why were these children allowed to start school?

Why is that any of your concern?

10 posted on 11/17/2007 2:28:03 PM PST by ken in texas (come fold with us.... team #36120)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Because those kids don’t have to meet the same standards that U.S. Citizen’s children do. That would be my guess, but I might be wrong.


11 posted on 11/17/2007 2:28:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Baladas

Christian Scientists decline the offer.


12 posted on 11/17/2007 2:29:08 PM PST by bannie
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To: Tennessee Nana
They weren't allowed to start school, yet the parents have them enrolled in PG county. That would be part of the problem.

Unless the parent's have been home schooling them, they've had no education at all this year.

13 posted on 11/17/2007 2:29:44 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: Baladas

What they’re not telling you is that even though it not on the label or list of ingredients, mercury is still in them. Under a certain amount, it is not required to be listed as an ingredient, even though it’s in there. Someone may know the amount, but I don’t.


14 posted on 11/17/2007 2:29:56 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature
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To: ken in texas
Actually, it is the concern of every parent who has a child in the public school system.

Because of something called 'herd immunity', a well-vaccinated population is unlikely to be infected with the diseases vaccinated against. Once the unvaccinated group reaches a 'critical mass', then even vaccinated children can get the disease (though usually in a milder form).

A small number of kids can get a free ride because all the others are vaccinated, but when you get up into several thousand unvaccinated kids, the risks increase substantially.

My kids didn't go to public school, but they wouldn't let my kids even register for their private school without a certificate of vaccination.

I'm old enough to remember the days before MMR -- and the kids who were blinded or retarded or killed by measles or rendered sterile by mumps. I'm not quite old enough to remember when they closed the swimming pools because of polio epidemics . . . but EVERYBODY got their kids the polio vaccine because they remembered those days. The dad of a good friend of mine was paralyzed at age 16 by polio.

15 posted on 11/17/2007 2:32:54 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: K4Harty
My pediatrician tells me that the rumor that there's still thimerosal in vaccines is just that . . . a rumor.

He's a good doc and a family friend and he would not lie to me. He's also not stupid and would not have bad info.

16 posted on 11/17/2007 2:34:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: ken in texas

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I merely ask...Why were these children allowed to start school? because my children and grandchildren have all needed their shots up-to-date and proven to go to school...

And you slap me down with an unwarranted “Why is that any of your concern?”

is there more to this story? What are you hiding? Are these illegal alien children?


17 posted on 11/17/2007 2:36:57 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: DoughtyOne

You just answered my question...Thanks

And I was not even thinking ..illegal aliens...

the school systems are not allowed to ask for any ID so shot records would not be asked for either...

but there’s rampart strange diseases raging in the schools right


18 posted on 11/17/2007 2:40:02 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: K4Harty; AnAmericanMother
My daughter babysits for 3 different pediatricians and I have asked each of them about mercury in the vaccines. Each have separately assured me there is none in the modern day vaccines.

However, they do not care for the chicken pox vaccine and do not recommend it because of the rise of chicken pox in colleges and the disastrous results that occur when an adult gets chicken pox. It is their opinion that the vaccine doesn't cover all kids and they prefer the kids just get the chicken pox young.

Unfortunately, even though I took both my girls to 3 different 'chicken pox' parties, they both caught only the very mildest form of the disease and are at great risk for shingles as an adult.

19 posted on 11/17/2007 2:40:30 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I home schooled ...my kids still had to have their shots ...


20 posted on 11/17/2007 2:41:27 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Shot records are one of the few things schools can and do demand up front. Sometimes kids can slip through the system for a few weeks, but the school nurse eventually catches up

If you watch the video, the most common vaccines needed are the Hep and the Chix Pox - these are middle school vaccines that were just added and not needed until now. According to the report, some kids have been out of school for quite a while

21 posted on 11/17/2007 2:42:37 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Excellent point....I work as a school nurse and the hour’s we put in to trying to get parents to please give us the information is unreal....I do not think parents need to go to jail for this....the easiest thing would not let kids in school in the first place if they did not have the required immunizations or at least a letter filed from the parents stating why they are not immunizing their children.

Personally, I think the state is mandating way to immunizations at too young of an age....sometimes I feel like I am harassing parents


22 posted on 11/17/2007 2:46:21 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Tennessee Nana

Medical exemptions are available in every state, although they are hard to get. Most states have religious exemptions, and some have philisophical exemptions.

Schools lie.


23 posted on 11/17/2007 2:47:37 PM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: SoftballMominVA
My pediatrician isn't sure that the cpx vaccine is fine-tuned yet. It takes a while, and it's pretty new.

My oldest was infected with chicken pox the old fashioned way -- she was covered all over with the little pustules, looked very very nasty, but the only remaining scar is one that took one eyelash, it looks like a tiny animal took a bite out of her left eyelid, but you have to know where to look.

My son caught it as an infant, and the doc thought he might have been too young to get full immunity, so we gave him the vaccine on top of the case of chicken pox.

My husband had chicken pox but got shingles anyway. So did my daughter -- about 12 years after her case of chicken pox. Fortunately they both had very mild cases.

24 posted on 11/17/2007 2:48:40 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

“The dad of a good friend of mine was paralyzed at age 16 by polio”

Since he was a “dad” it was good to know that not “everything” was paralyzed...or was it just a passing paralysis? It must have been an awesome woman to look past the man’s paralysis, to marry and have kids with him...obviously the man could certinly “work” around his paralysis to get his wife into a pregnant state....ahem “nuff said”!


25 posted on 11/17/2007 2:49:08 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: AnAmericanMother

“”I’m not quite old enough to remember when they closed the swimming pools because of polio epidemics . . . but EVERYBODY got their kids the polio vaccine because they remembered those days.””

Sorry - I am old enough to remember (71) and I’ve never been vaccinated against anything, nor my child, nor my siblings, nor their children, nor their children’s children. Exemptions can be obtained at schools if innoculations are against your beliefs. It’s a dangerous practice to presume to speak for EVERYBODY.


26 posted on 11/17/2007 2:49:17 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: AnAmericanMother
I believe in vaccination and my family is up to date with all but one vaccine - and I will fight them tooth and nail before I allow my prepubscent daughter to be an experimental lab rat. Yes, that vaccine.
27 posted on 11/17/2007 2:50:50 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: mdmathis6
Oh, that's no barrier to having children, or so I am told. As you said, 'nuf sed.

He was a paraplegic for the rest of his life, on crutches until his shoulders gave out, then in a wheelchair. He lived into his 70s -- long enough to enjoy grandchildren!

He was a splendid man, brilliant, great dry wit. His widow is indeed a wonderful lady, she's an RN and nursing school professor and met him while she was nursing.

28 posted on 11/17/2007 2:52:52 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Kimmers
the easiest thing would not let kids in school in the first place

Catch-22, Kimmers, if you don't send you child to school, you go to jail anyway, simply on a different charge. At least here the judge is addressing the specific problem.

29 posted on 11/17/2007 2:53:20 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: NonValueAdded

My daughter hasn’t got that one either. She is 19 now and a devout Catholic — and she told the pediatrician abstinence was a whole lot better than the vaccine, and he agreed that it was her choice.


30 posted on 11/17/2007 2:54:40 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Kimmers

That’s how it used to be...

the children dont start school or go back to schol if the shots are not current and up to date and on the approved shot record...sometimes the shots are not recorded on the parents copy...

Since the parent will be in trouble if the child does not go to school it is the parents responsiblity to make sure that their children have the shots...

The school system should not have to beg the parents for compliance, just refuse to enroll them...the parents will swiftly change their tune...

If there is a medical or religious excuse that should be forthcoming early...

if I had a religious reason to expect some favor for my child I would take care of that early in the process not 2 months after school starts...


31 posted on 11/17/2007 2:55:22 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Thank You Rush

“”Sorry - I am old enough to remember (71)””

Have to clarify that I am the youngest of 4 - oldest is 80, all still living and in good health.


32 posted on 11/17/2007 2:57:33 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush
OK, I'll be very precise in my language -- everybody I knew, especially those of us who had had family and friends on the iron lung.

Like I said earlier, the 'herd immunity' allows some folks to have a free ride. But only a few folks, or the whole system breaks down.

Enjoy the ride. It wouldn't work if everybody thought like you.

33 posted on 11/17/2007 2:57:41 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Tennessee Nana

Bingo, class of 65.


34 posted on 11/17/2007 3:06:09 PM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm old enough to remember the days before MMR -- and the kids who were blinded or retarded or killed by measles or rendered sterile by mumps. I'm not quite old enough to remember when they closed the swimming pools because of polio epidemics . . . but EVERYBODY got their kids the polio vaccine because they remembered those days.

I got my kids vaccinated for MMR and polio -- though I refused to go by the "schedule" that submits tiny infants to multiple shots, too early in life.

But when my state started mandating the HEPATITIS B vaccination (like Maryland is demanding here), I put my foot down. That's ridiculous.

The state has NO BUSINESS mandating Hep B shots. Hep B is not spread by casual contact, and little children are extremely unlikely to engage in the kind of behavior that transmits it (getting tattoos, engaging in perverted or promiscuous sex).

35 posted on 11/17/2007 3:06:39 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Good for your daughter, but why does a 19 year old still see the pediatrician?


36 posted on 11/17/2007 3:12:45 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: AnAmericanMother

so she’s a nun and signed an oath of celibacy for life?


37 posted on 11/17/2007 3:15:26 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: shhrubbery!
I can see getting it before they start high school - because some doctors believe it can be spread through sharing towels, toothbrushes, etc. even though the primary means of transmission is sexual or dirty needles.

The authorities disagree about how likely Hep B infection through casual contact can be. The CDC pooh-poohs it, but some hospitals (e.g. Childrens in Philadelphia) say it's possible. And since the consequences are so horrible, my kids have the vaccine (my daughter is pretty safe, her patron saint is Maria Goretti, that'll give you an idea, but my son is JUST the sort of kid who would go get a tattoo at some fly-by-night parlour if a friend dared him . . . )

38 posted on 11/17/2007 3:16:03 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: shhrubbery!
I refused to go by the "schedule" that submits tiny infants to multiple shots, too early in life.

Same here. Although by the way my Ped looked at me you woulda thought I had outright refused. It then became one of those situations where it was explained to me that I had no business making such decisions because I was not properly trained in the medical field.
Blech.

Trained or not trained, I got my way and he got paid.
39 posted on 11/17/2007 3:16:04 PM PST by stentorian conservative ("I don't have to hire a consultant to develop a conservative image, I am a conservative." -D Hunter)
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To: darkangel82

She sees him til she’s 21 or becomes sexually active.


40 posted on 11/17/2007 3:16:29 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Tennessee Nana

There are some US Citizens who object to vaccinations. I don’t want to mislead you. I do think there is a fairly good chance that a significan portion of these kids are the children of illegal aliens, but I have no way of knowing.

Someone from the area may be able to inform you that my theory is not born out by the facts. I tend to doubt that will be the case.

Thanks for your response. I hope you can understand I’m just raising a possible cause for this problem.


41 posted on 11/17/2007 3:17:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: ari-freedom

Her friends have claimed that she’s almost a nun . . . but no, she’s just a very devout Catholic girl who takes the idea of no-sex-before-marriage quite seriously. As I noted, any kid who picks St. Maria Goretti’s picture to hang on her wall . . . .


42 posted on 11/17/2007 3:17:47 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I think Hep B is the old Yellow Jaundice and if it is, then yes it is contagious...

I got YJ from drinking milk straight from a cow with YJ when I was 9...I was visiting some kids who lived way up in the back country...we caught the cow and milked her to put warm creamy (unsterilized) milk on our cereal...we took the bowls down to the cow...

The kids were healthy as horses and not effected by the cow..but the next week I was very sick and stayed home from school for 3 weeks,,,my brother caught YJ from me but a milder case...


43 posted on 11/17/2007 3:26:30 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: AnAmericanMother

ok but after marriage she might get it from her husband. As far as public policy is concerned you might as well get everyone vaccinated when they are young.


44 posted on 11/17/2007 3:29:27 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: DoughtyOne
There are some US Citizens who object to vaccinations. I don’t want to mislead you. I do think there is a fairly good chance that a significan portion of these kids are the children of illegal aliens, but I have no way of knowing.

Prince George's County is very heavily black, with a lower incidence of illegals than some counties. On the video, the kids shown getting shots, the majority were of color and one lone white kid.

Chances are good that the one thing these kids have in common is poverty, regardless of skin color

45 posted on 11/17/2007 3:31:26 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: neodad

simply put, you are NOT free.

this is a very controlled society that everyone must conform.


46 posted on 11/17/2007 3:33:02 PM PST by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: SoftballMominVA

So basicly what we’re probably seeing is parents who didn’t bother to comply. Thanks for your input. Take care.


47 posted on 11/17/2007 3:43:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Tennessee Nana
if I had a religious reason to expect some favor for my child I would take care of that early in the process not 2 months after school starts...

That's because you believe in parental responsibility and pay attention to the details that are necessary for life to move smoothly.

That's asking a lot of the rest of the population.

48 posted on 11/17/2007 3:48:29 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: AnAmericanMother

She still might want to think about it since she’s in the right age group to receive it. It’s not a slur on her sexuality, but she could be exposed to HPV even in marriage. I caught it from my fiance (now-husband) who apparently caught it from his exW and harbored the virus for awhile with no symptoms. I wish the vaccine had been available back then (in the early 80s).


49 posted on 11/17/2007 3:53:55 PM PST by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Excellent points...

I work in a school district where parents are great but there are always the few......A few years ago we had no shots on record for a child. I finally sent a letter to the parents, after numerous phone and email messages,stating their child could not come to school until we had his immunizations or at least an exemption letter on file. This child’s mom is a nurse practitioner and dad is a scientist it wasn’t as if these were ignorant parents...we finally got the documentation within days.

I do not like to strong arm parents like that but I also do not appreciate being ignored.


50 posted on 11/17/2007 4:06:19 PM PST by Kimmers
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