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Pakistani troops prepare major operation[15K Troops]
AP ^ | 17 Nov 2007 | AP

Posted on 11/17/2007 3:57:57 PM PST by BGHater

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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

I wonder where the Taliban will put another 15,000 surrendering Pakistani soldiers?


21 posted on 11/17/2007 5:14:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, November 17, 2007'''':''''1'''':'''https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Atchafalaya
Sooo, no five star hotels or restaurents there eh?

Swat Valley, Mini Switzerland of Pakistan: Malam Jabba...Famous ski resort in Swat Valley

Things to Do in Pakistan: Swat Valley, Mini Switzerland

Miandum Valley in Swat

for examples in the Swat Valley area

22 posted on 11/17/2007 5:31:27 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Zhang Fei
Right on you are Zhangster.

Maulana Fazlullah, you a dead man!

(He does not dare to show his face. I could NOT find one photo of Fazlulla on the web after an hour of searching)

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Swat joins Talibanistan

By Bill RoggioJuly 7, 2007 2:42 PM

Maulana Fazlullah's TNSM violates the terms of its May "peace agreement"

As the Red Mosque standoff in the heart of Islamabad enters its fifth day, the mosque's supporters in the Northwest Frontier Province have attacked the government. In Swat, a settled district in the Northwest Frontier Province, Maulana Qazi Fazlullah, a 28-year-old radical cleric, has called for his followers to strike at government agencies for taking action against the Lal Masjid. "In broadcasts on his FM channel on Tuesday and Wednesday, [Fazlullah] asked his supporters to take up arms against the government to avenge the action taken against Lal Masjid and carry out suicide attacks," Dawn reported on July 4.

Fazlullah's followers have carried out his call for violence. In the five days since the Red Mosque standoff began, four major attacks were carried out against police forces in the district. Six have been killed and thirteen wounded in shootings, roadside bombings and ambushes throughout the region.

North of Swat in the district of Dir, four soldiers were killed, including two officers, and another was critically wounded in an IED attack. The army convoy was reported to be heading into Swat in preparation for a possible “showdown between supporters of Maulana Fazlullah and law-enforcement agencies.”

Fazlullah is in direct violation of a "peace agreement" he signed with the provincial government. The terms of the nine-point peace deal required Fazlullah to "support the polio vaccination campaign and education for girls, as well as government efforts to establish law and order," the Daily Times reported on May 23. "He also agreed to wrap up all training facilities for militants and making of weapons, and support the district administration in any operation against anti-state elements." Fazlullah's followers were also to stop carrying weapons in the open. In return, Fazlullah was permitted to continue broadcasting his illegal FM radio programs and the government would "look for legal ways to withdraw cases against the cleric."

Maulana Fazlullah is the son-in-law of Maulana Sufi Muhammad, the jailed leader of the outlawed Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM - the Movement for the Implementation of Mohammad's Sharia Law). He is said to have "close links with the administration of the Lal Masjid," according to Sharif Virk, the chief of police for the Northwest Frontier Province. Fazlullah has successfully organized anti-polio and anti-girls schools campaigns throughout the region. The Swat region is believed to be a haven and training ground for the Pakistani Taliban. "Militants from Waziristan are present in Swat in great numbers," and being sheltered by the TNSM, The News reported just one day prior to the signing of the "peace treaty."

The TNSM is known as the "Pakistani Taliban" and is the group behind the ideological inspiration for the Afghan Taliban. The TNSM sent over 10,000 fighters into Afghanistan to fight U.S. forces during Operation Enduring Freedom in October 2001. Faqir Mohammed, a senior leader of the TNSM in neighboring Bajaur agency who is wanted by the Pakistani government, kicked off a suicide campaign after the air strike on the Chingai madrassa in October 2006. Forty-five Pakistani soldiers were killed after a suicide bomber sent by Faqir struck at Pakistani Army recruits training outside of the Dargai base in the NWFP. The Pakistani government signed Bajaur over to the TNSM in March 2006.

The Swat administration is wringing its hands over Fazlullah's call for violence in the wake of the Lal Masjid standoff. "A peace jirga held on Friday condemned the recent attack on District Police Officer Mazharul Haq," Dawn reported. "The jirga presided over by Maulana Fazal Haq expressed concern over tension in the valley. It decided to hold a meeting with Maulana Fazlullah to defuse the tension."

But the peace jirga refused to hold Fazlullah accountable for his call for jihad on his radio stations and the subsequent violence. "Members of the jirga said it was not clear which party had breached the peace agreement between the government and the cleric," Dawn reported. "They said FM stations should not be used for promoting personal interests, but there should be no ban on using them to propagate Islam."

An anonymous American intelligence source has informed The Fourth Rail that the Pakistani government is quietly negotiating a series of "peace deals" with the Taliban throughout the Northwest Frontier Province, much like the deal cut with Fazlullah. The Pakistani government is stinging from the international condemnation over the Waziristan and Bajaur Accords, which surrendered the tribal agencies to the Taliban and al Qaeda.

But the deal in Swat has done nothing to curb the rise of the TNSM, or prevent al Qaeda from training in the region. Fazlullah is still strong, as the recent attacks on the police demonstrates. Like in Tank and Bannu, the police in Swat have been intimidated by Fazlullah's TNSM.

Swat is clearly Taliban country.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/07/swat_joins_talibanis.php

Likely Mullana Zazlullah has already cut and run, leaving his follwers to be cannon fodder for an infuriated Pakistani Army 15,000 strong in the Swat valley. These tangos do not have a choice but to fight and die, or run to Afghanistan to face NATO guns.

23 posted on 11/17/2007 6:36:51 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: CARTOUCHE

Amelia Island, as in Jacksonville Beach, FL?


24 posted on 11/17/2007 6:51:03 PM PST by Berosus ("The candidates that can't face Fox News can't face Al Qaeda."--Roger Ailes)
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To: Berosus

No, Amelia, La, site of a haz waste incinerator facility.


25 posted on 11/17/2007 7:01:30 PM PST by CARTOUCHE ( The pen is mightier than the sword and so much easier to conceal)
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To: maine-iac7

The Sultan of Swat
26 posted on 11/17/2007 7:57:14 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: RedStateRocker; gonzo; DeaconBenjamin; indcons; sukhoi-30mki; Eyes Unclouded; ECM; SE Mom; ...

Pakistan ۋﮧ۱م

FReepmail if you want on or off

27 posted on 11/17/2007 8:35:41 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: maine-iac7

Well, as good as it looks, AND IT LOOKS REAL TEMPTING GOOD, I’m going to go with a room on the Fourchon at Charlie’s old place, laissez la bon temps roulez and the fishing is great.


28 posted on 11/17/2007 9:01:32 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: CARTOUCHE

LOL, he’s never heard of Morgan City. I hunt well north of MC, across the Atchafalaya River at Whiskey Bay.


29 posted on 11/17/2007 9:06:18 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: rogue yam

I’m going to bed soon, but your post begs the question; what made you seek that “tourist destination”, had you seen everything else in the world?


30 posted on 11/17/2007 9:09:16 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: BGHater; CARTOUCHE

31 posted on 11/17/2007 9:57:17 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Atchafalaya
I’m going to bed soon, but your post begs the question; what made you seek that “tourist destination”, had you seen everything else in the world?

I was traveling around Asia for fun and adventure. I was in western China and I wanted to go to Nepal so I went overland through Pakistan and India. At the time relations were petty good between Pakistan and the U.S. (Reagan was President. The Soviet Union had invaded Afghanistan and we were supporting the resistance to that invasion with much of that support flowing through Pakistan.) Since I was passing through Pakistan, I decided to have a look around. Beautiful land; interesting but majorly screwed up people. The Pakistanis were actually something of a relief after China because there was private enterprise everywhere so you could get what you wanted (food, shelter, transport) much more easily. My overwhelming impression was that Pakistan was a lot of trouble waiting to happen. Now when anyone talks of our "alliance" with Pakistan I get a sinking feeling. We will always have many enemies in that part of the world no matter what. They are designed from the ground up to abhor us.

32 posted on 11/17/2007 11:22:14 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: DevSix; Cap Huff; Southack; jeffers; AdmSmith; nuconvert

I am getting so jaded when it comes to Pakistan...dang I’m getting old.


33 posted on 11/18/2007 4:06:49 AM PST by Dog (My writer ISN'T on strike...)
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To: AdmSmith

This is the 201,789th time we have seen a “serious” effort from Pakistan. Most of the previous attempts have resulted in surrenders by Pakistani forces, followed by “peace” deals and releases of major terrorists.


34 posted on 11/18/2007 4:13:42 AM PST by Saberwielder
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To: Dog

“I am getting so jaded when it comes to Pakistan...dang I’m getting old.”

Maybe it’s just learning from experience, and not so much old age. ;~ )
However, I’m holding out, optimistically, that the Pakistanis are going to launch a major assault.

signed,
pollyanna


35 posted on 11/18/2007 5:04:43 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: maine-iac7
Because unless the ANA and the Afghani and Paki border police hold a strong line, the barbarians will be scurrying and oozing into the mountains and valleys just over the border on top of our troops in the Kunar Province

Hammer and anvil comes to mind. If we are going to eliminate them, they must be on our side of the border. The alternative is a continued haven for those forces to move back and forth with a safe base on the Paki side.

Musharraf has launched these attacks before - only to have a cease fire called in two or three days - (his decision or hamstrung? we don't know) 0 the results are the it always leave the Taliban/aQ stronger - and freer to cross into the Korengal VAlly in Afghanistan - which Bin L considers home = and where we are looking at a killed/wounded rate of 1 in 4.

When action is required past failure should not lead to lack of action. It is a haven under the status quo. Effective Paki action in those areas is what we want.

Concur with you that it needs to be effective, but we don't control that.

36 posted on 11/18/2007 6:00:59 AM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people. Socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: rogue yam

Sounds like some trip. Like you, whenever I hear the term “...our ally Pakistan...” I can’t help but think “hmmmm, with friends like these, who needs enemies”?


37 posted on 11/18/2007 6:46:19 AM PST by Atchafalaya
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