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Romney Talks Tough on Immigration
townhall.com ^ | 17 November 2007 | Kathleen Hennessey

Posted on 11/18/2007 9:27:09 AM PST by Rockitz

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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

You need to source your remarks. This is probably just made up garbage.


61 posted on 11/18/2007 4:35:58 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: TheLion
The people paid by or just support Romney know where his flip flops and lies are, they are just trolling to find which ones they have to shift blame.

I suggest you do your own source search!

62 posted on 11/18/2007 4:48:56 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: WFTR
I'm also glad to see Mr. Romney taking these positions. I like Mr. Romney, but I still favor Duncan Hunter while Duncan Hunter is in the race. If Mr. Romney will take more of these conservative stands, I'll feel better switching to him when I give up on Duncan Hunter.

Ditto, but I'm still hopefuly for a Hunter miracle.

63 posted on 11/18/2007 5:20:29 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: WFTR
I'm also glad to see Mr. Romney taking these positions. I like Mr. Romney, but I still favor Duncan Hunter while Duncan Hunter is in the race. If Mr. Romney will take more of these conservative stands, I'll feel better switching to him when I give up on Duncan Hunter.

Ditto, but I'm still hopefuly hoping for a Hunter miracle.

64 posted on 11/18/2007 5:23:18 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: kabar
Government is the problem, that is why we need a business person in office, not a lawyer or legislator. Thank you for agreeing that Fred is a Mason Dixon Candidate. In the South, Romney will win South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia and may even win Florida. I do agree that it may be a brokered convention.

Ron Paul thinks his platform is the Constitution too. But when the cultural minority imposes its will on the majority, new solutions are needed.

I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but we have an all powerful federal government dictating every facet of our lives, and the only thing that stands against total control is a few constitutional amendments and a few judges. Frederalism is not the answer. Frederalism is a campaign posture that will allow Mr. Thompson to have it both ways as he campaigns, against abortions, but for states to have the right to allow abortions.

If you don’t believe that we need a national leader, who is both president and advocate for a conservative point of view at the National level, why are you bothering with presidential politics? Wouldn’t your agenda be better served lobbying your state legislature or Governor?

Let us be very clear, in order to advance our conservative agenda, we need to first stop Giuliani, and then run a national campaign to defeat the Democrats. Fred can stop Rudy in a few southern states. But to win the nomination, Fred must ally himself with another candidate. Since they are friends, this will be McCain, but only if both men swallow a lot of pride. Stranger things have happened, but this is a low probability event. It may become more probable when Fred and McCain lose a couple of primaries, and need to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
In any event, Mitt Romney will continue to be the candidate with the resources to run a National campaign against the Democrats. Mitt will be in the driver’s seat to choose a unify-the-party running mate.

65 posted on 11/18/2007 6:01:36 PM PST by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: TheLion
Actually Romney came to the immigration debate before you did!

Debate, what debate, mitt has always been pro amnesty, but he did try to put lipstick on the pig once.

66 posted on 11/18/2007 6:34:42 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

I was at the event in the public library (Henderson, NV). Mitt was also strong on cutting taxes. He favors eliminating the death tax, doing away with taxes on interest and capital gains for taxpayers earning less than 200k, and also lowering taxes of what people earn. The crowd loved him, but I wish his handlers had chosen a larger venue. There were 200-300 people crammed in like sardines.

Meanwhile, Hitlery was crosstown in a high school gym with maybe a thousand. She has been campaigning hard in NV. She seems to be here every weekend.


67 posted on 11/18/2007 7:39:30 PM PST by circumbendibus
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To: Rockitz

Here’s my standard post. We can do something about Illegal immigration.

RICO —Citizen Recourse
Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits. RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.

IRS Reporting

REWARD FOR REPORTING EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

CALL THE IRS HOTLINE 1-800-829-0433 YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO A REWARD

Call the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) hotline 1-800-829-0433 to report all
suspected employers of illegal aliens-—you are not required to identify
yourself and may be entitled to a reward. The Application for Reward ( Form 211 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f211.pdf)
can be downloaded from http://www.irs. gov or call 1-800-829-3676. The IRS does
not take kindly to employers that seek to evade taxes by paying cash for day
labor-this is a common practice at construction sites. Report the employer`s
license plate number and any other information you may have. Employers usually
can’t run and take the hit in their wallets. Follow up with the IRS and ask
what action is being taken; if they refuse to cooperate, notify the press and
your elected officials. Do your part-—spread the word-—help make this
nationwide campaign a success!!!

Hunter is the best candidate on Immigration.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo

Hunter’s criticism of Thompson and Romney over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts


68 posted on 11/18/2007 8:09:53 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo
We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.

Looks like my post yesterday? ;o)

Click here.

I've been following the successful use of RICO laws in combatting employers of illegal aliens for a couple years now since the successful Mohawk Industries v. Williams case.

69 posted on 11/18/2007 8:40:15 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
You cannot look at the numbersusa.com score card and not acknowledge that he was part of the problem, not the solution. I am not so willing to forget his McCain partnerships on other issues either. They indicate what his future actions might be. Everyone keeps saying we need to look at the record, but then we are supposed to ignore that senate record?

I am not saying that he has a perfect record on immigration. However, whatever the reason for his epiphany on the road to the WH, I believe he is sincere and place some stock in the fact that he selected Kris Kobach to be his advisor on immigration. I also like Fred's position on SS and entitlement reform. To me, immigration and entitlement reform are the two greatest challenges to the future of the Republic.

I think we need change and an outside the beltway type offers us that opportunity. The insiders usually offer more of the same. Mitt accomplished a lot with an 85% liberal legislature. It will be interesting to see what he can do when the playing ground is more fair. If anyone can figure out a way to do it -- and do it right -- it's Mitt.

I could live with Mitt, but I don't believe that he is as electable as Fred. I also believe that he is not as conservative as he now is trying to appear. I see Romney far more willing to compromise on principles, including immigration, if he thinks he can get a deal. His position on what to do with the 12 to 20 million illegals is a bunch of gibbersh. 6 month non-renewable, biometric visas for illegals? Hell, you couldn't process those numbers in five years. And why would any illegal apply for one?

Fred isn't a creature of the Beltway. He has had another life outside government. FYI: I live inside the Beltway and worked for the USG for 36 years.

Mitt's Mormonism will also hurt him in terms of electability nationally. In any event, I don't think any candidate will get enough delegates to win on the first ballot. It will be a brokered convention, which will help Fred as the consensus candidate.

70 posted on 11/18/2007 8:58:15 PM PST by kabar
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To: Rockitz

Looks like my post yesterday? ;o)
***It does. But I didn’t steal your post, hah hah ;-) ... I’ve been posting that link as a standard Thompson/Immigration post for several days now. When it’s a Romney/Immigration thing I just change the name.

I’ve been following the successful use of RICO laws in combatting employers of illegal aliens for a couple years now since the successful Mohawk Industries v. Williams case.
***That RICO thing is also my standard post, and I think I may open a vanity thread so that we freepers can all discuss it. I’ve been shy about vanity threads in the past, but after seeing some of the doozies around here I figure I can afford a few vanities, since I’ve been here for about a decade.


71 posted on 11/18/2007 9:11:39 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: George W. Bush

MITT’S RIGHT ON!!


72 posted on 11/18/2007 9:12:39 PM PST by SHEENA26
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To: TheLion

See post 57.


73 posted on 11/18/2007 9:15:17 PM PST by curiosity
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To: claudiustg

“This is good to hear; we don’t need anymore bleed off to the Huckleberry.”

I agee. I think Huckabee is creepy. I just don’t trust the guy.


74 posted on 11/18/2007 9:16:29 PM PST by SHEENA26
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To: mission9
Government is the problem, that is why we need a business person in office, not a lawyer or legislator. Thank you for agreeing that Fred is a Mason Dixon Candidate. In the South, Romney will win South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia and may even win Florida. I do agree that it may be a brokered convention.

We will agree to disagree. Fred will win SC, NC and Virginia. Giuliani may win FL with Fred second. I have lived on and off in VA for almost 30 years. I don't see any way that Romney wins this state.

I hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but we have an all powerful federal government dictating every facet of our lives, and the only thing that stands against total control is a few constitutional amendments and a few judges.

News to me. Although I worked for the USG for 36 years, I never realized that the federal government dictates every facet of our life. Certainly not the executive branch. It is the Judiciary that is out of control legislating from the bench.

Frederalism is not the answer. Frederalism is a campaign posture that will allow Mr. Thompson to have it both ways as he campaigns, against abortions, but for states to have the right to allow abortions.

Federalism is not supposed to be the "answer." It is part of the Constitution. Any overturning of Roe vs Wade would just return us to the status quo ante, i.e., the states would decide. What we have now is the Federal government making these decisions. I have far greater trust in the 50 states determing what they want to do than an all-powerful federal government.

If you don’t believe that we need a national leader, who is both president and advocate for a conservative point of view at the National level, why are you bothering with presidential politics? Wouldn’t your agenda be better served lobbying your state legislature or Governor?

It depends on what you mean by national leader. You described him/her as "a national leader with a mandate to articulate and promote one Nation under God." I don't want any national leader with any kind of "mandate" to "promote" anything. What do you mean by "promoting one Nation under God?" Unless you can provide details, this is a meaningless platitude.

Fred can stop Rudy in a few southern states. But to win the nomination, Fred must ally himself with another candidate. Since they are friends, this will be McCain, but only if both men swallow a lot of pride. Stranger things have happened, but this is a low probability event. It may become more probable when Fred and McCain lose a couple of primaries, and need to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

What kind of ticket is that, Grumpy Old Men? Rudy has hit his high water mark. He can't get any more than 25% to 30% of the Reps so the nominee will come from the other 70% to 75% of the party. Re Romney: He will have a problem in the South, the GOP's power base. And Hillary will beat him like a drum in the Northeast and the West Coast. Do you think Romney could beat Hillary in MA? I don't see Romney being in the driver's seat. He may make a good VP candidate for Fred.

75 posted on 11/18/2007 9:19:53 PM PST by kabar
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To: redgirlinabluestate

The best thing one can do for conservative principles is to vote them into office! : )


76 posted on 11/18/2007 9:21:22 PM PST by TAdams8591 ((Mitt Romney '08, THE ONLY candidate who can defeat Giuliani and Hillary ))
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To: JTC1767

“Please provide us with the dates and the issues he changed positions on.
You can skip his pro-life conversion, we already know about that.”

The following YouTube ought to give you the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elx3UWmyAY4


77 posted on 11/19/2007 1:47:14 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: kabar
Part of Reagan’s magic was his ability to articulate and promote the American character. Reagan fought all his political life against those who called “One Nation Under God” a mindless platitude. It may be that for you, to me and my house, it is the National motto. I don’t have time for a civics lesson here. Please consult the Boy Scout Handbook.

Please be careful to not denigrate our leaders. Your “grumpy old men” remark is something I resemble very much. Fred Thompson and John McCain are gentlemen, unless insulted.

Through Medicare, Medicaid, the tax code, and the commerce clause, agricultural dept, housing etc., the reach of the Federal government is unprecedented, and for better or worse intrudes on ever aspect of American life.

78 posted on 11/19/2007 5:05:00 AM PST by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: mission9
Part of Reagan’s magic was his ability to articulate and promote the American character. Reagan fought all his political life against those who called “One Nation Under God” a mindless platitude. It may be that for you, to me and my house, it is the National motto. I don’t have time for a civics lesson here. Please consult the Boy Scout Handbook.

Reagan fought for a smaller, limited government. He is the one who said that government isn't the solution, it is the problem. Reagan, a former Democrat, didn't try to impose his religious views on others. He presented an optimistic view of this country and stressed American exceptionalism.

Please be careful to not denigrate our leaders. Your “grumpy old men” remark is something I resemble very much. Fred Thompson and John McCain are gentlemen, unless insulted.

LOL. Lighten up Mission9 baby. This is America. I have free speech and can make jokes about "our leaders." You seem to have an authoritarian streak. You want to be led by strong leaders. Maybe because I have seen these people up close and personal, I don't share your sense of deference and awe.

Through Medicare, Medicaid, the tax code, and the commerce clause, agricultural dept, housing etc., the reach of the Federal government is unprecedented, and for better or worse intrudes on ever aspect of American life.

And you seem to want more of it.

79 posted on 11/19/2007 6:02:53 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Please be careful to not denigrate our leaders. Your “grumpy old men” remark is something I

RESEMBLE

very much. Fred Thompson and John McCain are gentlemen, unless insulted.

LOL. Lighten up Mission9 baby. This is America. I have free speech and can make jokes about “our leaders.” You seem to have an authoritarian streak. You want to be led by strong leaders. Maybe because I have seen these people up close and personal, I don’t share your sense of deference and awe.

So the old “familiarity breeds contempt” argument? That does not work for me, with regard to ANY person who will put his life and reputation on the line to run for POTUS, even if I have style or policy differences. (Pat Paulson asterisk)

I guess I will have to use the /sarcasm button for you, just to make sure you know the joke is not on you.

When it comes to defeating Democrats in the National Arena,
I want a strong leader, not an abbreviated agenda. “Extremism in the defense of Liberty, is no Vice.”
BG

As to my authoritarian streak, What do you think RR would have said to someone who called the National Motto, a “mindless platitude?” One thing is for sure, he would never denigrate the motto, nor a person who cites it.

/sarcasm on

Your reminder us that Reagan was a “former Democrat” I find as objectionable as those who call Romney a “flip-flopper.” It is not necessary to remind us that Reagan had flaws. We all know that the Democratic Party in the past was a different party. A party that appreciated “One Nation Under God.” In this case it is OK to flip, but not to flop.
Maybe you are too familiar with Reagan.

/sarcasm off

In this case it is OK to flip, but not to flop.

80 posted on 11/19/2007 7:38:33 AM PST by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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