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Charges against Haditha defendant questioned [Lt Grayson]
North County Times ^ | November 18, 2007 | Mark Walker

Posted on 11/18/2007 12:06:20 PM PST by RedRover

CAMP PENDLETON - A military hearing officer said Saturday he has serious doubts over the validity of criminal charges filed against a Marine lieutenant in the aftermath of the slaying of 24 Iraqi civilians two years ago.

The hearing officer, Col. Robert Stahlman, said that if 1st Lt. Andrew Grayson was guilty of dereliction of duty for not ordering an investigation into the slayings, numerous other members of the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment command staff should have been similarly charged.

"I would have expected everyone in that battalion would have been charged and obviously that didn't happen," Stahlman said.

The colonel's comments came at the close of a hearing at Camp Pendleton over the last week to help determine if Grayson, a 26-year-old intelligence specialist, should be ordered to face trial by military court-martial.

Stahlman presided over Grayson's Article 32 hearing, which concluded after four days of testimony and an unusual Saturday session. Article 32 hearings are akin to probable cause hearings in civilian courts.

The colonel also said he was anxious to see the prosecution's written arguments on the charge that Grayson lied to investigators.

"I think it is a stretch to charge that," Stahlman said.

He did not specifically address a third charge of obstruction of justice prosecutors filed against Grayson last December. That allegation contends Grayson's order to destroy photos of the slain Iraqis amounted to obstruction.

Grayson was the last of four 3rd Battalion officers who were charged with dereliction of duty at Haditha to have his case aired. Charges against two of the officers were later withdrawn. The battalion commander at Haditha, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, faces trial in April.

Grayson is the most junior of the officers accused of wrongdoing, and after Saturday's hearing and Stahlman's comments, his attorney Joseph Casas said he believes his client will be exonerated.

"Our position is that if this had not been Haditha and everything around it, he never would have been charged," Casas said. "Lieutenant Grayson got caught up in the whirlwind of Haditha."

Testimony during the hearing showed that Grayson had ordered the destruction of 70 photographs taken by a member of the intelligence team he led at Haditha. The order, however, was in keeping with a military policy that photographs deemed not to have any intelligence value be destroyed.

The man who took those photographs, Staff Sgt. Justin Laughner, testified Saturday that his company commander at Haditha, Capt. Lucas McConnell, also knew of the photographs but never ordered they be forwarded up the chain of command.

Testifying under a grant of immunity, Laughner acknowledged he had lied repeatedly to investigators about keeping copies of the photos on his personal computer. He said he did so because he believed they might one day be important.

"It was a sad day," Laughner said in reference to Nov. 19, 2005, later adding he believed the deaths were the result of a legitimate combat action. "It didn't really sink into me that it would become a law of armed conflict violation."

The man in charge of intelligence gathering for the 3rd Battalion at Haditha, Maj. Jeffrey Dinsmore, testified Saturday that he considered the photos "extraneous" and that Grayson and his team were responsible for developing intelligence leads and not probing civilian killings.

Prosecutors contend the photos alone provided sufficient evidence that a possible violation of the law of armed conflict had occurred and that a formal investigation should have been ordered. Grayson's knowledge of those photos and what they portray was sufficient evidence to support the dereliction charges, the prosecution contends.

The civilian killings came as Marines searched for the source of a roadside bomb attack that destroyed a Humvee and subsequent small-arms fire on the morning of Nov. 19, 2005.

The killings were initially ruled as the result of combat and did not become the subject of a formal investigation until three months later and after a Time magazine report suggested the deaths represented a massacre.

Four enlisted men involved in the killings were subsequently charged with murder. Two had charges dismissed, one has been ordered to trial and the squad leader of the men who carried out the killings, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, is awaiting word on whether he will face trial.

Stahlman gave Grayson's attorneys and prosecutors until Nov. 28 to file written arguments. Neither side made closing arguments and Grayson did not testify.

Stahlman's recommendation on how Grayson's case should be resolved will go to Lt. Gen. Samuel Helland, who will ultimately make that decision in his role as commander of Marine Corps Forces, Central Command.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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And so the Haditha hearings come to a close, and with them, so does the investigation into the incident at Haditha.

Eight Marines were charged. Charges have been dismissed against four of them. Two will be court martialed (unless LtGen Helland dismisses the charges), and now two cases are pending.

1 posted on 11/18/2007 12:06:22 PM PST by RedRover
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To: 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ardara; ...
Ping!

The photos below are by our pal Don Dinsmore.


2 posted on 11/18/2007 12:10:01 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

Stand by for an apology from John Murtha.
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*crickets*


3 posted on 11/18/2007 12:19:33 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: RedRover
It seems Col. Stahlman has a quality greatly lacking in the prosecution, that quality being common sense.

Thanks for posting this, Red.

4 posted on 11/18/2007 12:19:37 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

>> “I would have expected everyone in that battalion would have been charged and obviously that didn’t happen,” Stahlman said.

Hopefully, Stahlman will be thoroughly disappointed when all is said and done.


5 posted on 11/18/2007 12:23:41 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: RedRover

Sounds like it’s looking good:)


6 posted on 11/18/2007 12:25:46 PM PST by fatima
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To: RedRover

But Democrat Representative Murtha already announced them guilty of cold blooded killing on national TV.

They HAVE to be found guilty because Representative Murtha’s aides are adament he will NOT apologize to the United States Marine Corps period!

Call them; he will NEVER apologize.


7 posted on 11/18/2007 12:28:43 PM PST by HD1200
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To: RedRover
..."It was a sad day," Laughner said ..."It didn't really sink into me that it would become a law of armed conflict violation."

... Testifying under a grant of immunity, Laughner acknowledged he had lied repeatedly to investigators about keeping copies of the photos on his personal computer. He said he did so because he believed they might one day be important.


Um, can you say MAJOR contradiction? The only reason Laughner is a prosecution witness (IMO) is because he lied to investigators about having photos on his personal computer. To get immunity (and not be charged, himself), he had to turn on Grayson.
8 posted on 11/18/2007 12:34:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover

this is very encouraging!


9 posted on 11/18/2007 12:38:43 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: RedRover
Stahlman's recommendation on how Grayson's case should be resolved will go to Lt. Gen. Samuel Helland, who will ultimately make that decision in his role as commander of Marine Corps Forces, Central Command.

I wonder if somebody up the food chain who wants to throw some Marines under the bus - - for the good of the Corps, of course - - is dangling a 4th star in front of Helland?

10 posted on 11/18/2007 12:43:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RDTF
Yes, this is very encouraging for 1st Lt. Grayson. It appears the IO is seriously questioning two of the three charges. The comment about lieing to investigators is interesting. "I think it is a stretch to charge that," Stahlman said.

Now I'm curious what NCIS/prosecutors based this charge against Grayson on. It appears Laughner (the one with immunity) admitted to repeatedly lieing to investigators about having pictures on his computer. Maybe they have tried to charge Grayson with lieing because he didn't offer them everything up front. In other words, I wonder if they tried to charge 1st Lt. Grayson with a lie by ommission. Curious.
11 posted on 11/18/2007 1:02:58 PM PST by Girlene
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To: fatima

Yes, it sounds very good. Seems that the judge is wise to the fact that prosecutors (LtCol Atterbury, chief among them) are throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks. A different judge had much the same reaction at the end of the Capt Stone case—and charges against him were dismissed.

It will telling to see how long it takes LtGen Helland to put an end to this travesty.


12 posted on 11/18/2007 1:17:52 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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Make that, "It will be telling."
13 posted on 11/18/2007 1:18:38 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover
And so the Haditha hearings come to a close, and with them, so does the investigation into the incident at Haditha.

I am beginning to wonder if the only solution to this second-guessing would be to embed JAG officers in first line combat units for their first year! Those who survived just "MIGHT" have a more realistic understanding of what the hell combat is all about!

14 posted on 11/18/2007 1:21:56 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: RDTF

Yes, very encouraging. Lt Grayson and his family will have another anxious Thanksgiving but hopefully the lieutenant will be exonerated by Christmas.


15 posted on 11/18/2007 1:24:53 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

Wonder if there’s at least one general who isn’t a political opportunist. Guess we’ll see.

LtGen Helland could still dismiss charges against LtCol Chessani and LCpl Tatum rather than go ahead with their court martials. That may be too much to hope for.


16 posted on 11/18/2007 1:46:10 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

I have a very serious question for all of our legal eagles out there.....and that is, can Time Magazine and the reporter wo wrote this story be sued for false reporting and defamation of charactor by these Marines? That might be really interesting to follow up on.


17 posted on 11/18/2007 2:03:27 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: HD1200

“he will NEVER apologize”

I’d rather he’d be found guilty of slander, libel and treason.


18 posted on 11/18/2007 2:05:36 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...

Ping


19 posted on 11/18/2007 2:07:04 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: RedRover
....The killings were initially ruled as the result of combat and did not become the subject of a formal investigation until three months later and after a Time magazine report suggested the deaths represented a massacre. ....

Geeeze Louise

20 posted on 11/18/2007 2:19:32 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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