Posted on 11/18/2007 4:28:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson
And do you really believe some pore, innnosent, victim of racist bushchimpyhitler and the vast right wing nazi regime criminal illegal is gonna have to pay a hospital bill WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY USING FAKE ID?
No problem. The truth shines through either way.
“Romney plays down health care [As RomneyCare proves to be big gov boondoggle]”
Looks like one here. Pretty obvious.
Not really.
If you’re:
a) covered under a company-sponsored plan, and
b) that plan covers abortions, and
c) you contribute part of the total premium for the plan,
then there is not much difference between Romneycare and your own private health plan. You are indirectly paying for abortions for other policy holders...and nobody is calling them “Jim Robinson-funded abortions”.
JimRob, Admin Moderator, Lead Moderator...I'm so confused! /sarc
I know and I meant to post your reponse.
You’d be surprised how many people don’t know. As I have learned, sometimes sarcasm doesn’t come through that well. Sorry I didn’t catch it.
Yes, I thought you did but I put that in for those that may read the thread later and be confused.
You currently don’t get to opt out of paying for people’s free rides at the ER.
Romney’s plan just shifts that money towards helping to subsidize private health insurance instead.
Now, I agree with you that abortion should not be covered by *any* health insurance plans, but abortion ought to be addressed outside of the health care debate. Outlaw abortion on a national level, and your anti-Romneycare argument crumbles.
They’re two separate issues, and on a national level, the Republicans wield enough influence to prohibit coverage of abortions.
But this is the liberal state of Marxachusetts we’re talking about. They have chosen to make abortion legal, and make it a priority. It needs to be addressed through the courts via the 14th amendment angle.
Jim,
Have you looked at your personal insurance plan? Is there a provision for abortion in the plan? If yes, why haven’t you opted out of it?
Choices in health insurance plans are limited (at least where I live in Southwest Florida), so we’re not as “free” as you’d like to believe.
Romney’s plan is socialism and it won’t save a dime. It’ll end up costing the taxpayers 10 times or more whatever they claimed it would cost. It also deprives people of free market choices. It’s one step closer to universal health care. One step closer to “free” (socialized) medicine for all. One step closer to tyranny.
If people are privately insured, you don’t have a single payer system.
By definition, a non-single-payer plan cannot be considered government-controlled universal health care.
I don’t know about other people here, but the last trip I made to the ER (for a lodged kidney stone - very painful) I had to wait in line for two hours while they took illegals with runny noses, stubbed toes, plantars warts and hangnails in front of me. They have no insurance because they’re working off the books for scum employers and paying no taxes. They use the ER as their primary care physician’s office. I’m sure this is the case in Mass. as well. How does forcing socialized healthcare fix that?
Wrong again. As long as the government is not “forcing” (Romney’s word) us into a plan, we most certainly are free to opt in or out of any plan we choose. Under the Constitution of the United States as written, the government can’t force anyone to purchase a health insurance plan. Neither can a private employer.
Those are all important issues, but they all need to be addressed individually.
Take care of illegal immigration, and your argument against Romneycare is moot.
Outlaw abortion, and Jim’s argument is moot.
I am certain you are bright enough to have figured out brackets (and parentheses) in thread titles after being on FR for over three years. Those are comments made by the thread poster. But your statement was (and I quote): "Explain what? The fake headline that Jim Robinson fabricated for this thread?"
The headline was not fake. The bracketed comment in the thread title belongs to the author and it's perfectly fair for you to go after that. But the headline was not fake, unless Jim Robinson had the power to go to the source and change it to what he posted as the headline on FR. (Wish he did, but that's another story.)
Are you in one of your argumentative moods?
The plan providers are AETNA, Tufts, Blue Cross Blue Shield etc. how is that govt controlled. All the hospitals and doctor’s are private and I can see however I want to. I also pay my premiums with no govt help. Why is that socialism ?
There isn’t anything in the Constitution about funding trips to the ER for the uninsured...but it is done universally because it would be unconscionable to let those people die and rot in the street.
How do you propose addressing that issue?
BTW: You still haven’t answered my question about your own personal health insurance plan.
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