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Romney plays down health care [As RomneyCare proves to be big gov boondoggle]
Concord Monitor ^ | Nov 18, 2007 | By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ

Posted on 11/18/2007 4:28:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Romney plays down health care

As Massachusetts governor, he tackled universal coverage

As governor, Mitt Romney signed the country's first comprehensive attempt at universal health coverage. On the presidential campaign trail, he has not put health care reform at the top of his agenda, nor has he embraced the central goal of the Massachusetts plan - universal coverage - as an appropriate target for the country.

The story sounds like classic stump-speech material.

A business leader and friend of then-Gov. Mitt Romney suggested he could make his mark if he solved Massachusetts's health care woes. Romney, a former consultant, took up the challenge, crunched the numbers and developed a framework for insuring nearly everyone in the commonwealth. Two years later, through an impressive feat of bipartisan cooperation between the governor's office and the legislature, he signed the country's first comprehensive attempt at universal health coverage.

"An achievement like this comes around once in a generation," he said on the day he signed the bill in April 2006.

(Excerpt) Read more at concordmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bw17ismeowmix; elections; herekittykitty; nannystate; pushinglimits; romney; romneycare; socialism; universalhealthcare
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To: bw17
Long as it has brackets, whether before or after, no problemo.

And do you really believe some pore, innnosent, victim of racist bushchimpyhitler and the vast right wing nazi regime criminal illegal is gonna have to pay a hospital bill WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY USING FAKE ID?

41 posted on 11/18/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: bw17

No problem. The truth shines through either way.

“Romney plays down health care [As RomneyCare proves to be big gov boondoggle]”


42 posted on 11/18/2007 5:21:58 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: darkwing104

Looks like one here. Pretty obvious.


43 posted on 11/18/2007 5:22:34 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not really.

If you’re:

a) covered under a company-sponsored plan, and
b) that plan covers abortions, and
c) you contribute part of the total premium for the plan,

then there is not much difference between Romneycare and your own private health plan. You are indirectly paying for abortions for other policy holders...and nobody is calling them “Jim Robinson-funded abortions”.


44 posted on 11/18/2007 5:24:00 PM PST by bw17
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To: Jim Robinson
They [the moderators] keep trying though.

JimRob, Admin Moderator, Lead Moderator...I'm so confused! /sarc

45 posted on 11/18/2007 5:27:39 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: bw17
Wrong again. In a free society, a person can freely choose to opt out of any such plan.
46 posted on 11/18/2007 5:28:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Beagle8U

I know and I meant to post your reponse.


47 posted on 11/18/2007 5:30:10 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: 50mm

You’d be surprised how many people don’t know. As I have learned, sometimes sarcasm doesn’t come through that well. Sorry I didn’t catch it.


48 posted on 11/18/2007 5:31:48 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: traderrob6

Yes, I thought you did but I put that in for those that may read the thread later and be confused.


49 posted on 11/18/2007 5:32:52 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Jim Robinson

You currently don’t get to opt out of paying for people’s free rides at the ER.

Romney’s plan just shifts that money towards helping to subsidize private health insurance instead.

Now, I agree with you that abortion should not be covered by *any* health insurance plans, but abortion ought to be addressed outside of the health care debate. Outlaw abortion on a national level, and your anti-Romneycare argument crumbles.

They’re two separate issues, and on a national level, the Republicans wield enough influence to prohibit coverage of abortions.

But this is the liberal state of Marxachusetts we’re talking about. They have chosen to make abortion legal, and make it a priority. It needs to be addressed through the courts via the 14th amendment angle.


50 posted on 11/18/2007 5:37:04 PM PST by bw17
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,
Have you looked at your personal insurance plan? Is there a provision for abortion in the plan? If yes, why haven’t you opted out of it?

Choices in health insurance plans are limited (at least where I live in Southwest Florida), so we’re not as “free” as you’d like to believe.


51 posted on 11/18/2007 5:38:58 PM PST by bw17
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To: dynachrome; darkwing104; Jim Robinson

52 posted on 11/18/2007 5:39:30 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: bw17

Romney’s plan is socialism and it won’t save a dime. It’ll end up costing the taxpayers 10 times or more whatever they claimed it would cost. It also deprives people of free market choices. It’s one step closer to universal health care. One step closer to “free” (socialized) medicine for all. One step closer to tyranny.


53 posted on 11/18/2007 5:42:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

If people are privately insured, you don’t have a single payer system.

By definition, a non-single-payer plan cannot be considered government-controlled universal health care.


54 posted on 11/18/2007 5:43:35 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17

I don’t know about other people here, but the last trip I made to the ER (for a lodged kidney stone - very painful) I had to wait in line for two hours while they took illegals with runny noses, stubbed toes, plantars warts and hangnails in front of me. They have no insurance because they’re working off the books for scum employers and paying no taxes. They use the ER as their primary care physician’s office. I’m sure this is the case in Mass. as well. How does forcing socialized healthcare fix that?


55 posted on 11/18/2007 5:45:37 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: bw17

Wrong again. As long as the government is not “forcing” (Romney’s word) us into a plan, we most certainly are free to opt in or out of any plan we choose. Under the Constitution of the United States as written, the government can’t force anyone to purchase a health insurance plan. Neither can a private employer.


56 posted on 11/18/2007 5:47:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: 50mm

Those are all important issues, but they all need to be addressed individually.

Take care of illegal immigration, and your argument against Romneycare is moot.

Outlaw abortion, and Jim’s argument is moot.


57 posted on 11/18/2007 5:49:30 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17
>i>So where’s the part in the headline (or the article) about a “big government boondoggle”?

I am certain you are bright enough to have figured out brackets (and parentheses) in thread titles after being on FR for over three years. Those are comments made by the thread poster. But your statement was (and I quote): "Explain what? The fake headline that Jim Robinson fabricated for this thread?"

The headline was not fake. The bracketed comment in the thread title belongs to the author and it's perfectly fair for you to go after that. But the headline was not fake, unless Jim Robinson had the power to go to the source and change it to what he posted as the headline on FR. (Wish he did, but that's another story.)

Are you in one of your argumentative moods?

58 posted on 11/18/2007 5:50:07 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Jim Robinson
“Wrong, the government forcing people into a government controlled and subsidized health insurance plan is socialism. No conservative should go along with this tyranny. No American should.”

The plan providers are AETNA, Tufts, Blue Cross Blue Shield etc. how is that govt controlled. All the hospitals and doctor’s are private and I can see however I want to. I also pay my premiums with no govt help. Why is that socialism ?

59 posted on 11/18/2007 5:51:08 PM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: Jim Robinson

There isn’t anything in the Constitution about funding trips to the ER for the uninsured...but it is done universally because it would be unconscionable to let those people die and rot in the street.

How do you propose addressing that issue?

BTW: You still haven’t answered my question about your own personal health insurance plan.


60 posted on 11/18/2007 5:53:02 PM PST by bw17
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