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T. Boone Pickens Responds to Letter From U.S. Senator John Kerry
PR Newswire ^ | 11-15-07 | T. Boone Pickens

Posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:25 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

T. Boone Pickens Responds to Letter From U.S. Senator John Kerry

DALLAS, Nov. 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a copy of a letter mailed by T. Boone Pickens in response to a letter from U.S. Senator John Kerry regarding the Senator's military record and ads in the 2004 presidential election by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

U.S. Senator John Kerry 304 Russell Building Third Floor Washington DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry:

So glad to hear from you regarding the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth political ad campaign, and an offer I made public at an American Spectator dinner in Washington, D.C. last week. I am intrigued by your letter, and am certainly open to your challenge.

My concern at the Spectator Dinner was, and continues to be, that you and other political figures were and are maligning the Swift Boat Veterans, and I want to prevent this important part of American history from being unfairly portrayed.

In order to disprove the accuracy of the Swift Boat ads, I will ultimately need you to provide the following:

    1)  The journal you maintained during your service in Vietnam.
    2)  Your military record, specifically your service records for the years
        1971-1978, and copies of all movies and tapes made during your
        service.

When you have done so, if you can then prove anything in the ads was materially untrue, I will gladly award $1 million. As you know, I have been a long and proud supporter of the American military and veterans' causes. I now challenge you to make this commitment: If you cannot prove anything in the Swift Boat ads to be untrue, that you will make a $1 million gift to the charity I am choosing -- the Medal of Honor Foundation.

                                                  Sincerely,

T. Boone Pickens

CONTACT: JAY ROSSER, 214-265-4165



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KEYWORDS: 110th; kerry; pickens; swiftboat; swiftboatvets
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Now you can expect Kerry and his supporters to say Pickens has changed the conditions of the offer and declare victory.

Maybe, (when pigs have landing gear!) Kerry could explain the points raised by DBrow:

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"Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records

Here ya go, Kerry signed his 180 for full release (to Kranish) on May 20, 2005. Nobody but Kranish has it, and he read everything and found nothing new, just more praises and laurels for Jon. WE don't get to see it but the Boston Globe has it all locked away somewhere.

But, Jon Carry can honestly rebut your demand by stating that he DID "sign the 180" on May 20, 2005.

"The evil Swiftboaters are after me again..."

They WERE released in proper accordance with the SF 180- and he filed with the proper agency- but did not release to the public. He can do that.

The person holding the data is that Globe reporter, not Kerry! Kerry put onto his release forms that everything went to Kranish (and if you read the article, the only thing Kranish says is that there are many more commendations than Kerry had mentioned).

The Globe guy is the one who must release them to the public. He is under no obligation to either release, or keep them, he can shred them if he wants to or has wanted to since 2005.

Kerry was clever in doing this, he signed the 180, released his records, and now it’s not his fault nor responsibility if we can’t pore over them in detail..."

No doubt Kerry found some point or points in the Swiftboat narrative he thought he could disprove and beat Pickens's broad challenge, "offer of $1 million to anyone who can disprove even a single charge of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth."

If Kerry could disprove anything he would have done it by now. Why hasn't he sued? All we can ever expect from John Kerry is a dishonest and shifty behavior like he did on Form 180 issue.

1 posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:26 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: DBrow

ping


2 posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:52 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
John F*ckin: TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 11/19/2007 4:22:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Pickens has changed the conditions of the offer

Well he most certainly has, hasn't he? And he looks like a moron for doing it.

4 posted on 11/19/2007 4:25:25 PM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Give it up john. no tickee, no laundy - release the 180.


5 posted on 11/19/2007 4:26:39 PM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: keat

Forgive my being uninformed, but what was the original offer?


6 posted on 11/19/2007 4:27:29 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“Now you can expect Kerry and his supporters to say Pickens has changed the conditions of the offer and declare victory.”

It appears that he has. I wasn’t there when Pickens made the challenge, but everything I’ve read said all Kerry needed to do was prove anything said was untrue.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 4:30:26 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Kerry was clever in doing this, he signed the 180, released his records, and now it’s not his fault nor responsibility if we can’t pore over them in detail..."

Kerry is not that cleaver. Kerry also stated that everyone would see them. Kerry is still a liar until he releases them to the public.

8 posted on 11/19/2007 4:31:41 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Well he did change the conditions, and that doesn’t look good.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 4:33:43 PM PST by RightWingRustler
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To: RightWingRustler

no he did not change anything......Pickens wants facts and proof...that’s all


10 posted on 11/19/2007 4:38:51 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: keat

No he hasn’t.....for Kerry to PROVE the Swift Boaters WRONG, the info from those three things need to be inspected.......whay is that so hard to understand.....it’s called PROOOF.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 4:40:50 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Pickens changed the conditions. Sounds just like what the dems do on a regular basis.

Did he really change the conditions or simply outline the terms of his original offer?

12 posted on 11/19/2007 4:40:58 PM PST by infidel29 (Voting for Paul? Might as well make it Ru Paul, he's got better legs.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I heart T. Boone Pickens.
God bless the REAL Swift Boat Veterans!!!


13 posted on 11/19/2007 4:42:03 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: keat

I think Pickens is correct in asking for official records instead of something Kerry might come up with or have a “witness” say. I don’t think it changes the bet. It defines the level of proof.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 4:43:37 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
From AP:

Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens' [offered] $1 million to anyone who can disprove even a single charge of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

[snip]

Pickens issued his challenge Nov. 6 in Washington, while serving as chairman of a 40th anniversary gala for American Spectator magazine, according to two Internet accounts of the gathering and Kerry, who said he spoke to people who were there.

It's possible Pickens dropped in a bunch of disclaimers like a radio ad for used cars at the end of his speech but I doubt it.

I think he is going to succeed at looking like more of a boob than Kerry, if that's possible.

15 posted on 11/19/2007 4:44:40 PM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Trust but Verify

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops


16 posted on 11/19/2007 4:46:27 PM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: Ann Archy
I don't know much about Pickens and I really don't care.

What's great about this is that Kerry walked right into it. If he tries to disprove anything, he'll look like an idiot.

On the other hand, Picken's asking Kerry to put up $1-mil on his bet just makes him look scared. That has nothing to do with proof.

Pickens needs to turn his guns on the real threat to America - Hitlery.

17 posted on 11/19/2007 4:50:35 PM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: advertising guy

But now he wants to specify what proof means. He made the offer to ANYONE who could prove any of the allegations wrong. Now he makes a list of all the items he wants, but that was not the original challenge.

Official military records could establish facts and proof, more so than Kerry’s personal journals, which wouldn’t prove anything, as Kerry could be self-aggrandizing, or fantasizing in those anyway.

Looks like Pickens is trying to change the rules.


18 posted on 11/19/2007 4:52:14 PM PST by RightWingRustler
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To: Anti-Bubba182
“Here ya go, Kerry signed his 180 for full release (to Kranish) on May 20, 2005.”

Sorry, But as I understand it, traitor Kerry never signed for the full release of his military documents. It is my opinion that he was given a less than discharge due to his treason in cooperation with the North Korean Communist leaders in France and in helping to kill hundreds of Americans and many thousands of South Vietnamese. But that discharge was changed when Jimmy "Idiot" Carter gave all the scum pardons.

But of course it is just my opinion. I agree with the Swift Boat people totally.

19 posted on 11/19/2007 4:52:31 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: keat

Good Grief.....he’s about to make the history books write the CORRECT FACTS, and you want him to go after Hillary......why don’t YOU do that....don’t leave it to someone else.


20 posted on 11/19/2007 4:52:49 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: purpleraine

Definitely. For a million dollars, nobody would settle for a “he said-she said” as any kind of proof.


21 posted on 11/19/2007 4:56:21 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Ann Archy

“No he hasn’t.....for Kerry to PROVE the Swift Boaters WRONG, the info from those three things need to be inspected.......whay is that so hard to understand.....it’s called PROOOF.”

T-Boone said disprove ANYTHING that the SBVT charged. Presumably the things Boone asked for wouldn’t necessarily be needed to disprove any 1 charge they made.


22 posted on 11/19/2007 4:56:42 PM PST by DemEater
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To: Judith Anne

Or a second mate witness.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 4:58:00 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Anti-Bubba182

First Rush’s letter from Dingy Harry, and now this.


24 posted on 11/19/2007 5:03:38 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Anti-Bubba182
It does look like Pickens changed the terms of his challenge. It doesn't matter though. Kerry is the one on the ballot, not Pickens, so it doesn't matter what Pickens comes out looking like. What Pickens has cleverly done is to reignite the whole secrecy issue surrounding John Kerry's military records. Kerry still has not made his records public. Letting some tame reporter look at them is not making them public.

I thought there was some discussion in an earlier thread that what Kerry is really hiding is his IQ test score from the ASVAB battery. He doesn't want anyone to know GW tested higher than him.

25 posted on 11/19/2007 5:04:38 PM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Given the public nature of the challenge and assuming it was recorded, I’d say that Kerry already has an enforceable contract with Pickens. If Kerry can in fact “disprove even a single charge,” Pickens will have to pay.


26 posted on 11/19/2007 5:09:07 PM PST by Grut
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To: Grut

Johnboy is welcome to try and open himself up to discovery.


27 posted on 11/19/2007 5:11:44 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: gracesdad

The key word is PROVE. Pickens won’t accept the ‘word’ of the men on Kerry’s boat, who won their own awards based on his ridiculous accounts.

That is not a change.


28 posted on 11/19/2007 5:15:54 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Mitt is a political Kama Sutra)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Change the conditions? What were the original conditions? Terms? Agreements?

There weren't any.

Now there is, in writing.
Further, what was in Yawn’s letter to Pickens?

Since, as I understand it, other than the challenge, Pickens gave no specifics, I don’t see how he is changing anything he did say.

Anyways, Pickens letter is short, and basic enough. Kerry can easily comply. He won’t.

Kerry has to continue on with this. Just like the Emory historian Bellesiles had to keep and up the lying on guns in Revolutionary America, so too does Yawn on his heroic deeds in the jungles of Cambodia.

29 posted on 11/19/2007 5:28:00 PM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
"..Sorry, But as I understand it, traitor Kerry never signed for the full release of his military documents..."

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records

"..WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records..."

30 posted on 11/19/2007 5:31:37 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 11/19/2007 5:31:50 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Welcome!


32 posted on 11/19/2007 5:34:29 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: keat
“And he looks like a moron for doing it.”

It will be a fun show to watch, though- Kerry is not adept at this sort of thing, and during his failed presidential bid, sometimes went beyond what his trainers told him to say.

NASCAR is on Sundays, this will fill in the week nicely.

33 posted on 11/19/2007 5:36:34 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Kerry was clever in doing this, he signed the 180, released his records, and now it’s not his fault nor responsibility if we can’t pore over them in detail..."

Actually it is. He is still in complete 100% control of who has access to the records. There is a record of what was declassified. If he will not allow anyone to see the complete record, it only makes the Swiftees case that much more stronger. T.Boone needs to keep the heat up. Upping the offer by $1 million a month with various proceeds to go to military children funds. Keep it going up to his re-election and he is doomed!

34 posted on 11/19/2007 5:39:25 PM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: Bommer
"...Keep it going up to his re-election and he is doomed!."

Not in Massachusetts. He could do worse and survive.

35 posted on 11/19/2007 5:45:14 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Translation - Teh-RAY-zah! has cutoff his allowance and he needs the money.

Plus, he’s afraid we’ve forgotten what a disingenuous pathetic liar he is.


36 posted on 11/19/2007 5:45:51 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

John Kerry voted for the Swift Boat Challenge before John Kerry voted against the Swift Boat Challenge.


37 posted on 11/19/2007 5:47:44 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: Mr Rogers
"The key word is PROVE. Pickens won’t accept the ‘word’ of the men on Kerry’s boat, who won their own awards based on his ridiculous accounts.

That is not a change."

I have suspected for a long time that U S Senator JFK has had his records sanitized. Like a lot of other things it is possible and might account for the strange dates or the absence of any date on some of his papers.

I expect TBP is sharper than I so we shall see.

38 posted on 11/19/2007 5:47:56 PM PST by OldEagle
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To: Grut

I wasn’t in the boats but I was there at the same time in the same AO.....Kerry is a fooking liar...chicken $hiite too boot. We worked the air above those folks.... The kerry’s of the world all seem to come from the chicken shiites of the wealthy North East elites. Out of my flight school class that finally finished of 36....of the living only one is a professed “Rat”...and guess where he comes from? Massachusetts, thank you very much...and he finished right at the bottom of our class.....onc a “Rat’ dumbass always a “rat” dumbass’!!


39 posted on 11/19/2007 5:51:41 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Bommer
That was me that said he was so clever. I said it because in this fight, the press (or media, or DBM, or...) is the only factor that can bring this story to the people at large. The way Kerry did this, he can claim that he did what everyone has been demanding him to do, and the press will say, Oh, OK, and that may be that. They won’t dig or press him, they’ll turn on the Swifts.

They’l segue to what Kranish wrote about the supposed “full release”, and note that there are even more commendations and heroic acts than the modest Kerry had admitted to. This tactic works for the Clintons and may work for Kerry.

My hope is that he’ll goof up, which he tends to do on occasion, or that there will be a major news outlet that does not let him get away with these half-truths.

If he’s hoping for a VP slot, then some media outlet nationally may tackle the story- but if he’s merely ramping up for his re-election, then it’s the Boston Globe and the Herald, I don’t know what other papers there are but they probably are pretty insignificant considering that most of the population is inside of Rt 495. The Globe will defend Kerry no matter what he does or says, just like they defend Kennedy, Frank, Olbert, and the rest of the Progressive Caucus.

40 posted on 11/19/2007 5:51:47 PM PST by DBrow
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To: purpleraine

Do you know something, or was this just an alliteration?

Kerry is going to get his clocks cleaned on this challenge because not only was he a liar, but some of his friends were too. They gave so many different versions of the same event to different media that you needed a roadmap and a bottle of aspirin just to follow what they said.

Kranish is also a liar and a Kerry pansy. Not all the AARs (After Action Reports) are at the Navy Historical Center in D.C. Many reports may have been destroyed in Vietnam, while others were never written down, only given verbally.

The National Archives is very short of good AAR’s for many battle actions because they were small skirmishes, one among dozens, scores or hundreds a day.

Occasionally you can find a two line AAR summary, such as happened with (Sen). Kerrey’s operation in the Delta.

He who writes the reports, rules, and apparently Kerry wrote the Bay Hap River report, among many others. The same for the B-40 VC rocketeer incident. You would never have knowN that there were two other PC boats in support of his beaching operation (See Rood’s piece in the Chicago Tribune).

And the key question for Kerry about his activities after leaving the Navy (Active) but being on the Active Reserve or Inactive Reserve muster rolls, was what did he do, who did he meet, and what did he promise to the communists in Paris (VC-PRG and NVietnamese) during his two trips, possibly three trips? He won’t admit that he made three trips but others have said it. He won’t tell us anything about his second trip, and most of what he said about the first trip was pure BS.

Who paid for the trips? Who was the contact with the communists - an American perhaps? Who went with him?

There is much more to Kerry than just what the Swift Boat Veterans wrote and said. I hinted at some of this in the book (I was one of its researchers).

One day we may find that Kerry was a traitor, unintentional due to stupidity and blindness, but a traitor nevertheless, the perfect Communist dupe.

The only fear is that records have been or will be destroyed or hidden from public scrutiny that will reveal the true Kerry.

Just wait! Trust me!

{Nothing I’m writing here has anything to do with the Swifties per se. They’re brave enough men of action to speak for themselves. I speak as a Vietnam journalist who has been following Kerry’s pink career since 1970).


41 posted on 11/19/2007 5:57:12 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: goldstategop
John Kerry has just stepped on his foreskin, as my old Drill Instructor used to say...

Kerry is going to be b*tch-slapped once again with the accurate description of the term "Swiftboating" - we FReepers all know it's nothing more than having the truth outed by those that knew him best.

42 posted on 11/19/2007 6:00:17 PM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: DustyMoment
Translation - Teh-RAY-zah! has cutoff his allowance and he needs the money.

Nah...he just still maintains delusions of relevance.

43 posted on 11/19/2007 6:04:52 PM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Max Friedman

I didn’t hear the original challenge by Pickens at the Amer. Spec. dinner, but the letter above was written one week after the dinner in 04. So I don’t see that he has changed anything. The letter appears to be the original “official” challenge.


44 posted on 11/19/2007 6:08:36 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Alan colmes just finished making a smarmy, snotty, ass of himself attacking Pickens on H&C. He claimed kerry has released all his records, which is a total lie.


45 posted on 11/19/2007 7:04:02 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus; Bommer

Bommer, this is exactly what I was aiming at.

“[Colmes] claimed Kerry has released all his records, which is a total lie.”


46 posted on 11/19/2007 7:14:20 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Max Friedman

Thanx. I feel that because Kerry has secreted his records he must have something to hide.


47 posted on 11/19/2007 7:14:56 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: keat

Wouldn’t Pickens be required to go through all of Kerry’s records to ensure that there are no contradictions to Kerry’s asserted “disproof”? Kerry already has a history of having contradicting entries in his war journal, doesn’t he?


48 posted on 11/19/2007 7:15:09 PM PST by Perchant
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To: Max Friedman

I have monogrammed tinfoil chapeaus for each day of the week, but if Kerry didn’t have an ace in the hole or a way out I doubt he would be pushing on Boone Pickens. On the other hand, my tinfoil picks up vibrations that Hill has asked him to create some distraction to get the righties off her butt. Perhaps she has promised to make him the ambassador to Paris or Ho City.


49 posted on 11/19/2007 7:28:50 PM PST by OldEagle
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I now challenge you to make this commitment: If you cannot prove anything in the Swift Boat ads to be untrue, that you will make a $1 million gift to the charity I am choosing -- the Medal of Honor Foundation.

Actually, I was expecting Pickens to make the same challenge of Kerry that Cartman made of Kyle in his leprechaun bet in the recent South Park episode "ImaginationLand"... But then I have all the maturity of your typical eight-year-old...

50 posted on 11/19/2007 7:29:38 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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