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A Radical (But Reality-Based) Solution To Ending Illegal Immigration!
Some great minds | MB26

Posted on 11/19/2007 5:26:47 PM PST by MindBender26

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To: Publius6961
Here ya go ....

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61 posted on 11/20/2007 7:05:08 AM PST by RightField
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To: MrB
Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability.

The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate – even more than unbounded levels of immigration – will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades.

By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by midcentury, twice the current ratio.

It's the fertility surge among unwed Hispanics that should worry policymakers. Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country – over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly 1 ½ times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for unmarried white women, 22 for unmarried Asian women, and 66 for unmarried black women.

Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent for whites and 15 percent for Asians. Only the percentage for blacks – 68 percent – is higher. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades.

Out of wedlock births were declining among blacks, family units were stronger, then the libs destroyed this trend.

There is also something called personal accountability.

62 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: MrB
Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts by Robert E. Rector

If we continue with our disastrous legal immigration policies, our fight against poverty and reducing welfare costs will be like shoveling sand against the tide.

63 posted on 11/20/2007 7:32:23 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Yeah, I agree with you there.

I’m a little bit “differently focused” on this thread though - I’m addressing the negative social incentives generated by the welfare system we have.

You have a different focus (probably more on focus with the topic of the thread), so I guess we’ll leave it where it is.


64 posted on 11/20/2007 7:36:44 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: tcostell
>>>>There aren’t any network-level broadcaster of the conservative bent in New York City.

You would be so surprised.

65 posted on 11/20/2007 7:38:11 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Cricket 23

Now tell me something I don’t know. ;)

I was merely conveying an anecdote. The fact remains, unemployment was pushing 20% in my parish. Despite that fact, farmers had to import immigrant labor to harvest because the lazies are being paid by the government to hang on the corner and drink 40s. Good paying work is available at harvest. No matter. It’s still “work” and I have seen with my own eyes that certain segments of the population just are NOT going to do it. They already have a source of income that does not require work.

This essay is about how those on the dole affect illegal immigration. My little anecdote is my experience with that first hand. That said, I have no evidence that any of these migrants were not here illegally. That’s not really the point, though. They point is about WHY they come.

In communities like where I’m from, farm owners are not going to stand idly by and let farms that have been in families for generations go unharvested because the local welfare recipients don’t want to work. In their vernacular, “It’ll mess up their check.”


66 posted on 11/20/2007 7:53:21 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero
Personally I’ve been in favor a a multi-step program to eliminate illegal immigration.

1. Eliminate the minimum wage.

2. Eliminate all social services (even emergency medical) for anyone who is not in the country legally and able to prove it.

3. Eliminate all social services except education and emergency medical for anyone who is here legally but not a US citizen.

4. Institute and enforce a ban on knowingly hiring an illegal alien. A mandatory $5,000 fine, and 1 year in jail per offense.

Two months after these steps are adopted, you won’t have 1,000 illegal aliens in the whole country. they will deport themselves.

67 posted on 11/20/2007 8:12:56 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: MindBender26

My thoughts are to stop coming up with grandiose plans and start by discrediting politicians and others who support illegal activity. That’s a fairly easy plan that would work very well and would solve many other problems.

1. Go to campaign appearances.
2. Ask real questions about this issue (not rants) designed to reveal the candidates are selling a lie.
3. Upload the response to Youtube.

If you can’t do that, encourage people in Iowa to do it by contacting local blogs, forums, etc.


68 posted on 11/20/2007 10:07:33 AM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: Hunterite

Maybe she needs to learn to keep her legs closed!


69 posted on 11/20/2007 10:19:17 AM PST by Cricket 23 (For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Cricket 23

“Maybe she needs to learn to keep her legs closed!”

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Really? Tell that to my face.


70 posted on 11/20/2007 10:23:04 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: RightField

How do you get the graphic in the post? I’ve tried copying the direct link into an email, but all that goes in is the url. I’d like to have the graphic. Any suggestions?


71 posted on 11/20/2007 11:05:51 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: kabar

Source please.


72 posted on 11/20/2007 11:31:53 AM PST by Cricket 23 (For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: oldbill
Yup - arguments for regulation taken to extreme lead to tyranny, and arguments against lead to anarchy.

Lesson for the day:

My point wasn't intended to be the libertarian refutation of all regulation. It was intended to be that we're swimming upstream on this one. The globalization of the world's economy is happening, like it or not.

I make my paycheck coding in the Linux kernel, working with others from China, India, Australia, Russia, France, Israel, Eastern Europe, South America, and heaven knows where else. I compete by being better; but as I prepare to live on less, my colleagues from poorer countries are looking forward to earning more. We both see an inevitable equalization in progress, of equal pay for equal value. I'm not complaining; actually, I'm having a blast working with some of the finest coders on the planet. But a business model that pays me five or ten times another coder of equal value cannot be sustained.

My services, coding, can be provided by anyone with the right skills, an Internet connection, and the ability to compose a broken-English email message (the "lingua Franca" of this line of work.) It is extremely independent of geography. But with the increasingly huge shipping tankers and ships, most manufactured or mined industrial goods are becoming almost as independent of geography.

There is an inevitable globalization in process.

This is the same sort of inevitability that my teenage son sees in the pricing of music, where the huge production costs of the business models of RIAA members just can't compete with the distributed pennies per song costs of peer-to-peer sharing of music.

Regulation is needed. But sometimes regulation is a rear guard action to protect business models being made obsolete by increasingly rapid changes in our business and technology.

Lesson #2 for the day:


73 posted on 11/20/2007 11:56:30 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Hunterite
Ah ... so if we're not GREEDy, then we're a retarded Libertarian.

There are some who see the world as black and white, with no shades of grey.

And there are others who see it as turd brown or barf green, with a putrid smell either way.

74 posted on 11/20/2007 12:01:21 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Lesson #3: Democrats will win elections because Democrats are falsely seen as sticking up for the small guy.

Globalization is as “inevitable” as orthodox slavery. Either stop it now, or fight a global war in the future.


75 posted on 11/20/2007 12:12:06 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: All

The biggest overhead to business is labor.

Here is a list of countries the free-traitors are selling America down the drain to: (scroll down)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

China is just another country to sell American jobs to, #82. The lower you go, the bigger the profit.


76 posted on 11/20/2007 12:27:05 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite
Maybe you mean something different than I do by "globalization". That, or one of us is big time wrong.
77 posted on 11/20/2007 12:52:55 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Cricket 23

Click on the embeded link in my post. This is a Heather McDonald story based on a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released to the public.


78 posted on 11/20/2007 12:53:58 PM PST by kabar
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To: Cricket 23

Click on the embeded link in my post. This is a Heather McDonald story based on a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released to the public.


79 posted on 11/20/2007 12:55:36 PM PST by kabar
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To: MindBender26

Here’s my standard post. We can do something about Illegal immigration.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.

RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.

IRS Reporting
REWARD FOR REPORTING EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS
CALL THE IRS HOTLINE 1-800-829-0433 YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO A REWARD
Call the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) hotline 1-800-829-0433 to report all
suspected employers of illegal aliens-—you are not required to identify
yourself and may be entitled to a reward. The Application for Reward ( Form 211 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f211.pdf)
can be downloaded from http://www.irs. gov or call 1-800-829-3676. The IRS does
not take kindly to employers that seek to evade taxes by paying cash for day
labor-this is a common practice at construction sites. Report the employer`s
license plate number and any other information you may have. Employers usually
can’t run and take the hit in their wallets. Follow up with the IRS and ask
what action is being taken; if they refuse to cooperate, notify the press and
your elected officials. Do your part-—spread the word-—help make this
nationwide campaign a success!!!

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Hunter is the best candidate on Immigration.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo

Hunter’s criticism of Thompson over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts


80 posted on 11/20/2007 1:00:29 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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