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A Radical (But Reality-Based) Solution To Ending Illegal Immigration!
Some great minds | MB26

Posted on 11/19/2007 5:26:47 PM PST by MindBender26

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To: MindBender26
Build the damn fence and enforce the law, beautiful and simple, with no con-job BS.
21 posted on 11/19/2007 6:17:46 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Hunterite
Another open borders Libertarian solution.

The free-traders, Libertarian, open borders type will say anything to keep the quasi-slave labor flowing across the border

BTTT

22 posted on 11/19/2007 6:19:05 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Hunterite
Most illegals don’t receive entitlements because it takes doctored documents to receive welfare. And that risks the illegal to taking on a criminal record, and the inability to never legally immigrate here.

Earth calling Hunterite... earth calling hunterite.

I can read the Spanish-language newspapers. The "risk" of a criminal record and the "inability" (that is truly hilarious) to return doesn't exist for these people.
I have personal knowledge of many illegals who collect aid to dependent children and live in Section 8 housing in addition to working for tax-free wages. And they travel back and forth to Mexico at will. You need to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know that.

I even served on a jury where two illegals were suing a place of business for being "beat up" after being ejected and returning with a baseball bat --- and NO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO ASK THE OBVIOUS QUESTION.

The case was thrown out as an obvious (even for California) case of illegals playing the litigation lottery...

23 posted on 11/19/2007 6:19:19 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Liberty2007
...As far as I know, young men are not on welfare...

Their mommas and their girlfriends are.

24 posted on 11/19/2007 6:32:35 PM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: MindBender26

Nothing new, (Michael Savage has been saying his for years) but well written and true. Also, you can line the borders with nuclear waste, and that’ll put an end to it.


25 posted on 11/19/2007 6:34:59 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: MindBender26
the illegals immigrants do not come here for welfare

Obviously these so-called experts never visit a welfare office. I sometimes count the 'anchor babies' in tow while their mothers go in to apply for services. I have done this in one particular county for the past year. My figures would astonish the best of the so-called experts.

26 posted on 11/19/2007 6:44:19 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: MindBender26
Yeah, simple math ~ there are more illegal aliens in the country than there are able bodied young men on welfare.

Lots of nice charts about it at: http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=114&subsecID=143&contentID=250201

27 posted on 11/19/2007 6:49:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Liberty2007
As far as I know, young men are not on welfare, they either work or live on the streets.

The ones we're concerned with on this thread don't work -- and they don't live on the streets.

Instead, they live with the women who are on welfare because they've had children by this young man (and others).

They might spend their day on the streets. But they don't live there.

The more money a woman makes off her "papers", the more desirable she is.

28 posted on 11/19/2007 7:07:34 PM PST by okie01
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To: MindBender26

1. Make a new, tamperproof Z-Visa the only acceptable employment document.

2. Have a 6 month waiting list for the Z- Visa.

3. Issue the Z-Visa in Us Embassies overseas.


29 posted on 11/19/2007 7:08:48 PM PST by csmusaret (Mnimum wage today; maximum wage tomorrow. It's the Socialist way.)
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To: MindBender26

the economist is only partially correct. Illegal immigraztion has grown since 1965. The Great Society may have created demand and subsidies, but the Immigration Act of 1965 opened the general floodgate of immigration, creating a hospitable environment.


30 posted on 11/19/2007 7:12:19 PM PST by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: MindBender26

So explain to me the non-economist why (formerly) very well paid high tech workers who really want to work are seeing their jobs outsourced?

Sorry, but the motivation behind both illegal immigration and high-tech outsourcing is the same - GREED. A lot of people are making a lot of money screwing the average Ameican worker.

There is no shortage of American workers that requires foreign workers here or in Bangalore. From Bill Gates and George Bush down to Jake’s Drywallers there is a huge shortage of American business men and politicians who don’t remember where their loyalties should lie.


31 posted on 11/19/2007 7:41:25 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Publius6961
Many of us have been saying that for years, that the tipping point has not been reached. When these welfare parasites (who are all allowed to vote) outnumber the worker bees, the stuff's gonna hit the fan and armed class conflict (or true fascism*) will be the only way out.

That will happen when the boomers peak in collecting social security. Social security is welfare. Farmers are also a major recipient of welfare. Add them to the typical welfare queens and you have a clear voting majority. It's no coincidence that AARP is a socialist pressure group.

32 posted on 11/19/2007 7:47:31 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: chesley

The question is, Who would you rather have cook your lunch a needle using junkie or an illegal alien? Who would you rather do maid service to your hotel room, a crankster or an illegal alien?


33 posted on 11/19/2007 8:56:07 PM PST by californio
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To: MindBender26
Two books - *Unheavenly City* and *The Unheavenly City Revisited.*

In part, looks at Harlem, NY the families there pre-and post “Great Society”.

An older book set, but much of what is covered in relevant even today.

34 posted on 11/19/2007 10:26:52 PM PST by ASOC
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To: MindBender26
Excellent point. This spells out why the workers won't take a low paying job -- it doesn't pay much better, if at all, than welfare.

The lack of border enforcement explains how the illegals can get here, in large numbers, in the first place.

The third leg of this stool is the payroll withholding and minimum wage and numerous other legal, liability, wage and safety mandates on legal employment. With the minimum wage and all these related mandates (not to mention unions in some cases) it costs close to ten dollars minimum to hire someone legally.

Any job worth less than that has to be done by illegals.

When low wages are illegal, only illegals will have low wages.
So (1) low income legals are paid to not work, (2) its illegal to pay low wages, and (3) we have an ample supply of illegal low wage workers.

Trifecta.

Socialism is a cancer, eating at the weaker elements of our society, the elderly (Social Security), the students (public school), the sick (universal health care), the unemployed, the ignorant, the fearful, the inner city ghetto dwellers, the victims of natural disaster, the morally challenged (prisons), ...

The lack of border enforcement, the presence of a welfare state and the minimum wage and numerous employer mandates have created two more major 'Rat bases -- the out of work legals, and the working illegals.

35 posted on 11/20/2007 4:43:17 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: oldbill
Hmmm ... so if an employer chooses to have pay someone $20 per hour instead of $80 an hour for some high tech work, that's evil GREED, huh?

We should all just "get along" and share and share alike, huh? We should make our companies uncompetitive in the global market by only employing the highest paid workers, right (ask GM how well that's working)?

Are we having a little difficulty understanding how capitalism works?

I would not call it GREED. I'd call it the divinely endowed right to pursuit of happiness.

36 posted on 11/20/2007 4:53:14 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: rmlew
Yes - there are three elements to the large numbers of illegal immigrant workers in the United States. There is an ample supply of illegals, as you note. There are economic incentives to low wage legals to not work (welfare pays just as well, as the original post noted.) And there are economic incentives to employers to hire illegals (no minimum wage, no withholding, fewer mandates.)
37 posted on 11/20/2007 4:57:11 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Publius6961

“I have personal knowledge of many illegals who collect aid to dependent children and live in Section 8 housing in addition to working for tax-free wages. And they travel back and forth to Mexico at will. You need to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know that.”

Exactly. They are assisted by Hispanic organizations in learning how to beat the system and many are two income households, enabling them to send cash back to Mexico. They work tax free and are depleting or have exhausted completely the funding for the assistance benefits...welfare, food stamps, housing, medicaid, etc....needed by American citizens who are disabled.


38 posted on 11/20/2007 5:07:47 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: rmlew

Before The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 (Thank you Senator Kennedy)and the 1986 Amnesty Act ( Thank you Senator Kennedy) most Americans wanted population control in the US.Now we allow in around 2,000,000 legal immigrants a year plus their extended families,(Mother,Father,Sister ,Brother and their children.)That adds millions more.Then you have the 12-20 million illegal Aliens that Congress wants to give Amnesty to.If that’s granted,then you have their extended families,which will add millions more.Then you have the 500,000 that still cross our southern border illegally each year.The US current population is 301,000,000,not to long ago we exported our surplus food,now we import half,In the near future 36 states will have a water shortage,Some studies show the US population at 450,000,000 by the year 2050.Has anyone ask their Congressman and Senators what quality of life our Children and Grand Children will have? Social Security,in 1996 the Social Security Administration signed an agreement with Mexico that will give Social Security payments to some of the 12-20 million illegal aliens once they are granted amnesty, total cost over 50 billion dollars a year.This type information is at both the FAIR and the Heritage Foundation Web sites.Add the 45 billion dollars each year that the American tax payer donates for illegal aliens free medical care,food stamps,rent assistance,translators at schools and we have a ticking time bomb.Amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens and endless immigration is not the answer.I encourage everyone to write their Congressman and Senators and ask them what the total cost to the American tax payer will be if they grant amnesty to those 12-20 million illegal aliens,after all you and I and our children will foot the bill for their decision


39 posted on 11/20/2007 5:52:07 AM PST by Cricket 23 (creating an inhospitable environment.)
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To: Hunterite

They are called Anchor babies which as you know are American citizens, and American citizens are entitle to all the freebies. There are around 3 million Anchor babies that range in age from newborns ( Even as we speak) to adults. “This Libertarian solution will never stop the flow, and they know it. Most illegals don’t receive entitlements because it takes doctored documents to receive welfare. And that risks the illegal to taking on a criminal record, and the inability to never legally immigrate here.”


40 posted on 11/20/2007 5:52:07 AM PST by Cricket 23 (For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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