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Swift Boat issue becomes crucial to Kerry anew
The Boston Globe ^ | Nov 21, 2007 | Sasha Issenberg

Posted on 11/21/2007 12:06:52 AM PST by Phil Harmonic

For Kerry, the public showdown with Pickens represents not only a belated engagement with old antagonists, but also an early strike against a Democratic primary opponent who signaled Monday that he welcomes the scrutiny of Kerry's military record initiated by the Swift Boat ad campaign in 2004.

"It goes to his credibility," said Ed O'Reilly, a Gloucester lawyer mounting a challenge to Kerry in the Democratic primary. "It needs to be cleared up."

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As it stands, the man most welcoming of the return to the conflicts of 2004 is O'Reilly, who is attacking Kerry as not opposing the Iraq war strongly enough and says that the issues raised by the Swift Boat ads reflect on Kerry's character.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: kerryfraud; oneeighty; unfit
Move over T. Boone, here comes Ed O'Reilly (D)MA !
1 posted on 11/21/2007 12:06:53 AM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic
As it stands, the man most welcoming of the return to the conflicts of 2004 is O’Reilly, who is attacking Kerry as not opposing the Iraq war strongly enough....

He would have if the polls said it was a better position to take at the time.

2 posted on 11/21/2007 12:28:06 AM PST by Jackson Brown (Conservatives killed their racehorse in order to let their fortunes ride on a jackass)
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To: Phil Harmonic
In 2005, pressed by news organizations including the Globe, Kerry authorized the Navy to release his complete military and medical records. The records appeared to contain nothing to dispute Kerry's accounts of his service.

Say what??? When did this happen? I don't THINK so!

3 posted on 11/21/2007 12:32:53 AM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Ronin

I think I read Kerry released limited records to ONLY two reporters who happened to be personal friends and called that DISCLOSURE.


4 posted on 11/21/2007 12:38:46 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
I think I read Kerry released limited records to ONLY two reporters who happened to be personal friends and called that DISCLOSURE.

He signed it for release to this particular paper (The Boston Globe) who perused it and made the statement that 'it looks okay to us'......!

5 posted on 11/21/2007 12:48:06 AM PST by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrNCO)Military)
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To: Jay Howard Smith

I had a specific memory of reading about two reporters.
Could have been two friends of his from The Boston Globe.

Why not a universal release, why only that paper and not to the public?
Why are people supposed to take the Boston Globe’s word of what his record looks like?


6 posted on 11/21/2007 12:52:22 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Phil Harmonic
The fact that this is an issue again for Kerry proves the Swift Boat Vets were always correct.

Especially since we are talking about the democrat primary in Massachusetts.

This is vindication, if any were needed.

7 posted on 11/21/2007 12:54:34 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: A CA Guy
Why not a universal release, why only that paper and not to the public?

We both know the answer to that... If all his records are on the up-and-up, why in God's name wouldn't he release them when he was running for the Presidency..?

8 posted on 11/21/2007 12:58:03 AM PST by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrNCO)Military)
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To: Jay Howard Smith

Right, and his unwillingness to expose his records openly might do us the huge favor of unseating the buzzard.


9 posted on 11/21/2007 1:15:32 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Phil Harmonic
"Kerry yesterday accused Pickens of "parsing and backtracking" on his initial offer and said he is "prepared to prove the lie and marshal all the evidence."

Read letter from Pickens to Kerry -- clearly asks Kerry to sign for the Form 180 by asking for military records between 1971-1976 (1978).

Clearly not Pickens fault that Kerry jumped the gun by going national on what he (Kerry) thought Pickens was asking him for.

10 posted on 11/21/2007 1:43:28 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Stinking traitor:

“They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.”


11 posted on 11/21/2007 1:45:37 AM PST by donna (Obama is a Moslem.)
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To: Ronin

He released his records to one man who gave his “opinion” as to what is in them.


12 posted on 11/21/2007 1:47:06 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Phil Harmonic

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=Kerry&ok=Search&q=quick&m=any&o=time&SX=474418c312df8739e34ffafbd5ea4ad616b01e32


13 posted on 11/21/2007 2:01:41 AM PST by RonDog
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To: Phil Harmonic
Kerry, would enjoy life more if he just dropped the whole vietnam war hero, act.

Apparently his guilt wont let that happen...it seems to have become his own personal hell.

14 posted on 11/21/2007 2:32:28 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
First, Kerry is nuts to bring this up. Second, The Globe The records appeared to contain nothing to dispute Kerry's accounts of his service.

Yet it doesn't say the record disputes the Swift Boat claims either.

15 posted on 11/21/2007 2:41:42 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Phil Harmonic

Very ironic and amusing that it’s someone moonbattier than even Kerry who is using this against him.


16 posted on 11/21/2007 2:46:50 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Phil Harmonic; All

Who cares, nearly everyone knows Kerry lied about his service, just as he lied to Congress when he returned from his “combat tours”. Kerry doesn’t have a chance of being elected President and is no longer in the inner circle of Congress. It would be great to remove him from the Senate but IMO thats gonna happen anyway. This is a desperate attempt by Kerry to get back in the news.


17 posted on 11/21/2007 3:05:17 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Kakaze
“I'm going to beat T. Boone... using my superior intellect!”


18 posted on 11/21/2007 3:06:34 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Phil Harmonic

Kerry will never release his complete record to the public. It would be the end for him. Odds are that Kerry has an Other than Honorable discharge that was upgraded when Carter granted amnesty to deserters and upgraded thier discharges.


19 posted on 11/21/2007 3:24:56 AM PST by JDPendry
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To: driftdiver
“This is a desperate attempt by Kerry to get back in the news.”

This becomes increasingly harder now that the BoSox are regular World Series Champions (and what about them Pats?!?!). Kerry has made a professional career of loser politics in a state that is starting to enjoy victory regularly.

How could Kerry turn himself around? He could quit politics, have good clean fun (drive fast cars, go wind surfing, play the guitar, snow boarding, etc.), and he can give to charity WHILE KEEPING HIS MOUTH SHUT CONCERNING ALL POLITICAL RHETORIC except to say positive things like, “I love America.” It’s unfortunate for a man who’s burned his chance at being taken seriously. Perhaps his best advice to others will be his saying, “Don’t be like me! Don’t make my mistakes!” If he could even say this, he’ll have greatly improved his standing among men.

That’s right. He still has a chance at being a real hero and learning the lessons of what happens to sore losers (like ex-Pres. Jimmy whatzhisname) when they can’t get over it.

20 posted on 11/21/2007 3:25:12 AM PST by SaltyJoe (Lenin legalized abortion. Afterward, every life was fair game for Death.)
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To: JDPendry

Agree with the Dishonorable discharge comment. This is strongly supported by rewritten medal citations by subsequent SECNAV’s. This just does not happen without some significant string pulling...


21 posted on 11/21/2007 3:29:44 AM PST by Irish Luck
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To: JDPendry
Kerry will never release his complete record to the public. It would be the end for him. Odds are that Kerry has an Other than Honorable discharge that was upgraded when Carter granted amnesty to deserters and upgraded their discharges.

Looks like CHECKMATE for Kerry.

22 posted on 11/21/2007 3:39:07 AM PST by olezip
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To: Kakaze
Kerry, would enjoy life more if he just dropped the whole vietnam war hero, act.

Teresa let him try that once, but she shrieked in horror upon viewing the result:


23 posted on 11/21/2007 3:40:13 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: olezip

T Boon will keep the pressure on J Fraud till he puts up or shuts up....we have the answer about his Viet War record, it is false. Why else would he not release them to avoid the butt kicking from teh Swifties that may have cost him the Presidency...


24 posted on 11/21/2007 3:45:11 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa
My only problem with the whole thing is that the leftist, revolutionary Marxist main stream media and Democrats, and maybe Wikipedia, have coined the phrase "Swift boating" to mean lies and propaganda about someone. Whereas to me it means telling the truth.

But what do you expect from disordered minds? The media and Democrats are mindless enough to continue to use the phrase "McCarthyism" incorrectly. McCarthy was right about everything he said about communists. The commies are still here, but in larger numbers. McCarthy was not paranoid; we were victims of the vast left wind conspiracy that has been going on for fifty years.

25 posted on 11/21/2007 3:54:09 AM PST by olezip
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To: Phil Harmonic
I do not plan on attacking Kerry's military service or anyone else's who took the oath to defend our country and who was honorably discharged

Well. there's the key question isn't it? Did Jimmy Carter upgrade traitor Kerry's discharge or not?

26 posted on 11/21/2007 4:02:29 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: xtinct
Clearly not Pickens fault that Kerry jumped the gun by going national on what he (Kerry) thought Pickens was asking him for.

No biggie. Ketchup boy will treat this like a house cat that knocks over a potted plant, then walks away as if nothing happened.....

27 posted on 11/21/2007 4:04:39 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: Thermalseeker
Kerry = teflon

He's got to be a real headcase!!!

28 posted on 11/21/2007 4:12:28 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

kerry is proving what an idiot he is again. He should know better than to challenge T Boone whom I’m sure did his homework before offering the bait to the fool.

I wonder how he will try and lie his way out of the corner he has painted himself in this time.


29 posted on 11/21/2007 4:23:48 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Kakaze

May Kerry(POS) rot in Hell! He is a proven Liar and Traitor!


30 posted on 11/21/2007 4:30:54 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Phil Harmonic

It’s over, John. Go back home to Bah-stun and cry to Ter-raeza about it.


31 posted on 11/21/2007 4:32:52 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: Phil Harmonic
"On the presidential campaign trail, the term "Swift Boat" has come to be shorthand for a vicious attack."

The "TRUTH" can be a vicious thing to a liar.

32 posted on 11/21/2007 4:39:59 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Kakaze
Bingo! Jon Carry is just obsessed with this. He thinks, he would be President today, if it wasn't for the Swifties. He can't get it out of his mind. His "failed joke" torpedoed his chance at running this time around. He's still dreaming of getting in, but he thinks he has to get the Swift Boat stuff off his back. And imagine, he has to go home to Terayza. Gawd, all those millions better be worth it.

You think Jon Carry just sounds pompous when he speaks. Nooooo! He also writes like a pompous *ss, just read the following in John Kerry's voice: ""I am prepared to prove the lie and marshal all the evidence, the question is whether you are prepared to fulfill your obligation," Kerry wrote."

33 posted on 11/21/2007 4:57:48 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Phil Harmonic

To have this notoriously thin-skinned poseur crop up again in the election news cycle is SUCH a gift for the GOP! And the fact that he claims to have released his military records (when he did NO such thing) just makes the issue that much more delicious.

Has there been a Dem candidate in the last 8 years who was NOT an embarassment to the nation? I will give Lieberman a pass since it appears that he has come to his senses on the issue of the WOT, and had to run as an Independent when the Defeatocrats kicked him out of the party at the primary.


34 posted on 11/21/2007 5:06:51 AM PST by alwaysconservative (If God is your co-pilot; it's time to switch seats!)
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To: JDPendry
Odds are that Kerry has an Other than Honorable discharge ...



Finally, someone who remembers what happened.

You nailed it. - Kerry was investigated for his unlawful activities by the Senate.
The armed forces have longer teeth in these matters and discharged him.

Kerry can end everything 100% and become a national hero again overnight, for standing up and defeating the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, simply by the one act of releasing his records, but strangely - for an innocent man - he does not.

give it up john


35 posted on 11/21/2007 5:28:26 AM PST by bill1952
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To: olezip

Instead of swift boating maybe Kerry will now start to claim he’ been T-Booned...


36 posted on 11/21/2007 9:02:48 AM PST by JDPendry
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