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The same government forced to back away in the American ports controversy is now poised to acquire considerable stake in major New York based banks. Should we be as worried about Dubai's involvement in our banking system as we were about the last fiasco? Why? Why not?
1 posted on 11/21/2007 10:19:50 PM PST by america4vr
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Nah. It’s cool these guys are our friends.


2 posted on 11/21/2007 10:21:30 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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Face facts...alot of middle eastern oil giants have lots of cash...from the surge in profits from oil. They have to invest it somewhere...and its not going into Russia or South America. With the dollar so cheap...I think you will see dozens of deals like this over the next year. If you have dollars in your hand...you simply aren’t going to convert that to Euros or any other currency...with the situation like it is....so the US in someways...is intentionally attracting the Arabs to bring the oil money back into the US and invest it. I’m not going to say this is positive...but obviously...the money has to go somewhere.


4 posted on 11/21/2007 10:24:37 PM PST by pepsionice
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It's impossible to say that any foreigner can buy into the States except Arabs.

Unless a country is on the list as being labelled "terrorist", how can they be blocked from buying into a free country?

5 posted on 11/21/2007 10:35:42 PM PST by what's up
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IMO the banks need the influx of money. Unfortunately we have masterminded a situation where foreign nationals hold massive amounts of U.S. Dollars. With what ‘I consider’ a healthy economy, foreign nations wouldn’t be in this position. U.S. owned interests would.

What are we going to do as we continue to go down this road and China want’s to unload U.S. Dollars by purchasing assets like our banking institutions?

We are putting ourselves into a very precarious situation. We’ve known this day was coming since the early 1970s. We didn’t think it worthy of a Manhattan style effort to become energy independent. And around 1992, we decided it was a fantastic idea to become the worlds biggest debtor instead of the worlds biggest debt holder.

Well, here we are. We have now come to the place where half our energy has to be purchased from outside the United States, and our financial institutions will be owned by some of those players.

I somehow doubt the United States’ interests are going to be the first concern of foreign nations, but others who have gotten us into this mess are certain to find that a Jim Dandy idea.


6 posted on 11/21/2007 10:36:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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There’s a deeper regulated system of checks and balances within the financial sector that would hopefully thwart any directed attack. A insecure port on the other hand is point of entry for a WMD from abroad.

As for Foreign-owned commercial banks, we are talking over a trillion dollars in assets. So in the game, it’s nothing new for a foreign entity (largely Europeans) to corner a bank.

7 posted on 11/21/2007 10:38:18 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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The Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.


8 posted on 11/21/2007 10:40:01 PM PST by cyborg (Long Island Half Marathon finisher!)
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Somebody call Rush quick! Limbaugh needs to ride to the aid of his favorite A-rabs.


10 posted on 11/21/2007 10:43:31 PM PST by Pelham ("You Can't Deport Them" the fallback position of the Amnesty Republicans)
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Dubai is saying: “All your homes are belong to us. We own banks. Banks hold mortgages. We own your homes. We own you.”


11 posted on 11/21/2007 10:43:44 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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Should we be as worried about Dubai's involvement in our banking system as we were about the last fiasco? Why? Why not?

We should worry about any foreign nation becoming involved in our financial system. As for Dubai, I am more worried about the Chicoms than Dubai. Dubai is fairly enightened for a middle east nation.

12 posted on 11/21/2007 10:44:12 PM PST by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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Obligatory Burj Dubai photo:


14 posted on 11/21/2007 10:46:54 PM PST by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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No, we shouldn’t be worried because these guys are interested in making a buck, not killing the innocent.


20 posted on 11/21/2007 11:08:23 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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what 6 ports?


22 posted on 11/21/2007 11:13:52 PM PST by shadowcat
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I think Dubai should have been granted the American ports deal, and they should get this New York Bank deal too.

Why? from what I know I do not see Dubai nor Qatar as tools of Muslim fanaticism, and we need to be developing new business partners whenever/wherever we can in our interest, especially nowdays.

26 posted on 11/21/2007 11:24:51 PM PST by valkyry1
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Foreigners have a near perfect history of buying our stuff on the expensive, selling it back on the cheap. And Americans have a near perfect history on buying foreign assets on the expensive, later selling on the cheap.

Come on in Dubai, the water is lovely...


30 posted on 11/22/2007 12:10:28 AM PST by Professional
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Have you heard of “the Trade Deficit”? It’s when we buy more from foreigners than they buy from us. That leaves foreigners with lots of extra American dollars on their hands. And like anyone with lots of extra cash on hand, they want to put it to work by investing it. But the only way they CAN invest those American dollars is by buying American assets, like like American movie studios, ports and banks.

Eventually China will own more US businesses than we do if we don’t take care of our trade deficit, both past and present.

THAT’s an issue you should be concerned about.

Have you ever seen a thread on that topic? Me neither.


33 posted on 11/22/2007 12:46:00 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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Dubai, a tiny country in the Persian Gulf with a matching small population, which is part of the United Arab Emirates, is cash-rich because of its vast natural reserves of oil.

Only 10% of Dubai's revenue comes from oil.

35 posted on 11/22/2007 2:14:54 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Here come the Jihadis. They come here not to make silver and gold their focus, they come instead to work on the dhimmitude of America, and the establsihment of Sharia LAw. They are more than willing to pay the money to bring that about. Hang on to your hats, because they WILL be stopped.
36 posted on 11/22/2007 2:17:16 AM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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Here come the Jihadis. They come here not to make silver and gold their focus, they come instead to work on the dhimmitude of America, and the establsihment of Sharia LAw. They are more than willing to pay the money to bring that about. Hang on to your hats, because they WILL be stopped.
38 posted on 11/22/2007 2:20:06 AM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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I would not worry. Title 12 of the Code of Federal Regulation which applies to banks starts at Regulation "A" runs through "Z" and on to "EE" (on beyond zebra).

Add to that Bank Advisories, Bank Bulletins, and Bank Circulars to adhere to and the Feds can tie you up so tight you can't breath.

I am thirty-five years in the business and would not get in to it as an owner today on a bet.

40 posted on 11/22/2007 4:04:38 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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Dubai:

United Arab Emirates, which remains a cash-based society and is considered an important regional financial center for the Gulf region, because of its role as the primary transportation and trading hub for the Gulf states, East Africa, and South Asia, and with expanding trade ties with the countries of the former Soviet Union, it is regarded as having the potential to be a major center for money laundering. Money laundering may take place within the formal banking system, including the numerous money exchange houses, but is believed to be largely confined to the informal and largely undocumented “hawala” remittance system – an undocumented and nontransparent system. The UAE government also has admitted the need to better regulate “near-cash” items such as gold, jewelry, and gemstones, especially in the burgeoning markets in Dubai. UAE acceded to the Kimberley Process in November 2002 and began certifying rough diamonds exported from there on Jan. 1, 2003. UAE customs officials may delay or even confiscate diamonds entering UAE from a KP member nation without the proper KP certificate.


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The evidence at trial also showed that HOMA’s principal business was transferring funds from third parties to accounts and individuals around the world, particularly in Iran. During the time GAVIDEL was operating HOMA, there was an embargo against trade with Iran, prohibiting all exports to Iran, including the financial services that GAVIDEL and HOMA provided. As the evidence at trial showed, GAVIDEL disguised his transfers of funds to Iran by sending them in bulk through third parties, principally a broker based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. In total, between mid-1998 and 2000, GAVIDEL illegally transferred approximately $2 million to Iran through Dubai. Proof at trial of this offense included extensive accounting records maintained by GAVIDEL of his illegal transfers to Iran, as well as numerous intercepted faxes from accomplices in Iran and Dubai confirming the receipt and deposit of funds in Iran. Trial evidence also showed that, when questioned by the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (”OFAC”) about HOMA transactions destined for Iran, GAVIDEL falsely stated that, “at no point had business relations or the transfer of funds between [HOMA] and Iran existed” and described HOMA’s business as merely an “importer, exporter and trader of various products in the Middle East and Far East.”

Following GAVIDEL’s conviction, he was remanded to the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service.

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Top Money Laundering Experts For Dubai Banking Summit


Colourful ex-felon on speakers’ list

DUBAI - Money laundering, a scourge of the world’s financial and law-enforcement sectors, will be under the microscope in Dubai in April at a global banking strategy summit, Channels, and one of the visiting speakers will know all about having a captive audience.

Among a host of elite speakers flying in from Europe, Asia, the Far East, Australia and South Africa for ‘Channels 2004’ from April 25-28 will be Humberto Aguilar, a one-time criminal defence lawyer- turned criminal himself, and now an anti-money laundering expert.

Miami-based Aguilar is clearly a case of ‘set a thief to catch a thief’. Aguilar certainly boasts first-hand experience, having been convicted in the US in 1990 for helping his clients defraud the Internal Revenue Service by hiding their illegally obtained funds in foreign bank accounts and for having participated in sharing revenues from drug importation conspiracy.

His professional duties these days include lecturing for Money Laundering Alert in Miami, Puerto Rico and Panama, a monthly column for Money Laundering Bulletin and writing for Offshore Financial Intermediary.

Aguilar also says he has been drafted in by the US Government to aid in the War on Terror.

“I have been retained by the US Department of Homeland Security’s Bureau of Immigration and Customs Security to help thwart terrorism financing through money laundering activities.”

Aguilar says he is looking forward to his Dubai visit where he will join more than 50 experts of international standing in the global financial sector who will take the stage at the Channels strategy forum over the four days as either speakers or panelists.

Venue is the Crowne Plaza Hotel, where the exhibition for top-tier players in the financial service industry has been sold out for months due to regional executives being ultra-keen to hear the speakers and panel discussions.

Among globalisation, profitability and technology subjects to be featured at Channels are multi-channel delivery strategies, bancassurance, branding, product innovations and Islamic finance.

“Channels will be the banking industry’s biggest event in Dubai this year. It will be a unique forum that won’t be afraid to deal with the thorniest issues,” says event organiser Cordelia Henry, Conference Director for IIR.

Experts in the globalisation field will deal in depth with the Gulf States and the WTO, cross-border banking as well as mergers and acquisitions.

Another high-profile speaker is Joseph DiVanna, author of six books, whose lively subject will be “Everything You Wanted To Know About Retail Banking in 30 Minutes.”

Channels will be held against a series of significant developments in the economic mechanisms of the Gulf region. A number of Gulf states, notably Bahrain and the UAE, have embarked on pushes to be major international financial players.


44 posted on 11/22/2007 6:54:39 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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