Posted on 11/24/2007 5:16:09 AM PST by Salena Zito
Here's a fact for you Chuck: you seek out every Ramos and Compean thread you can find and spout your drivel. You PRETEND it's fact, even though you have been proven wrong by cowgirl and others countless times over several months.
What makes you think I don't know any of the facts of the case? I don't see the need to keep on pointing them out to you, over and over and over again. You'll just ignore the facts this time as you have all the other times. Ta!
Hey, no kidding! One would think they aren't even rooting for our side!
LOLOL! I feeling generous with a belly full of turkey!
If you can find a single post of mine where I said Davila was “just a mule trying to raise mony for his poor sick mother”, I will apologize.
Of course, I never said that. In fact, I’ve consistantly said that Davila was a criminal who deserved to be in jail.
The drug smuggling was irrelevant to the incident, as having drugs in the van would not justify the shooting, and at the time of the shooting neither agent had looked in the van and seen the drugs.
This discussion was not about whether he “wanted” medical treatment. If you would bother going back to the beginning, a poster said he thought Davila was paid $3 million for his testimony. I was noting that he DID receive expensive medical treatment, and since then I’ve been battling with ignorant people claiming he didn’t need medical treatment.
BTW, do you have any actual evidence he was paid $3 million for his testimony? If not, would you mind correcting that, as I think the masses will listen to you.
I don’t seek out every R/C article. I actually try to ignore them. Sometimes they have new information and I read them, and invariably someone posts a completely false statement and I correct it.
If you are going to claim something I’ve posted is false, why don’t you actually quote it, so I can show you the chapter and verse to educate you.
I’ve not been generally proven wrong about the facts. There are times when I’ve argued against jumping to conclusions based on insufficient evidence, and further evidence has shown those conclusions to be true, and I’ve not argued against the conclusions once there was enough evidence to support them.
I don’t pretend about facts. No thinking person would pretend about facts, because being CORRECT is the only rational way to live, and you can’t be CORRECT if you ignore facts.
So if you have a fact that refutes something I’ve said in this thread, go ahead. I’ve already had to prove that “limp” was in the testimony at the trial, and that Davila had life-threatening injuries that required special surgery.
Want to try something else? That’s about all I’ve talked about in this thread.
If you don’t want people correcting false statements in your threads, don’t post false statements, or simply correct them for yourselves. I’d be pleased not to post, so if one of the pro C/R people would simply police your own threads for obviously false statements, I’d stay out.
Heck, in this thread you’ve still got people arguing that there’s no evidence Ramos SHOT the guy. And not ONE pro-C/R person has the guts to correct ANY false claims from your own side.
How foolish.
One could say there was no evidence that there was a gun, but that is different than saying that the lack of evidence proves the gun did not exist.
I have a strange feeling you were trying to make some comment about me. But either you know that your comment made no sense, or else you were just scared to death to have to actually discuss your attack on me, so you hoped to hide by not posting me to your comment.
Either way, I agree with you. The pro-C/R people are quite willing to assume the guilt of ANYBODY who stands in the way of freeing their golden boys, who were found guilty NOT by my presumption (I still make no claim as to whether they were actually responsible for a criminal act on that day), but by a jury of their peers in a criminal court run under our legal system that presumes innocence.
So I have no clue who it is you think has no knowledge of our legal system.
Meanwhile, the actual DISCUSSION in this sub-thread was a simple one, the claim by a poster that Davila was secretly paid $3 million for his testimony, and that “fact” was hidden from the trial (but somehow this super-secret payment is known to the freeper).
If the agents had aprehended the perp, they’d be free. If they had simply reported the shooting, they’d probably be free. If they hadn’t picked up the casings, they might be free. If they had realised their culpability and pled guilty to a lesser charge, they’d be free today.
If the agents had driven an illegal immigrant gal off a bridge and let her drown, I guess a lot of freepers here would be arguing that they SHOULD be free.
No, “foolish” is confusing evidence with proof.
Proof is information which shows beyond a certain probability the truth of something.
evidence is simply any piece of information which helps determine the probility of something being true or not.
When you say there is “no evidence that there is a gun”, that is too weak a claim based on the evidence. I could say right now that there is no evidence you have a gun, simply because I don’t know anything about you so I don’t have any idea if you own a gun.
But if I knew who you were, and did a background check and found you had never purchased a gun, that would actually be EVIDENCE that you didn’t have a gun. It wouldn’t PROVE it, because you could have gotten a gun some other way, but it’s actual EVIDENCE, not a “lack of evidence”. And if I searched your house and didn’t find a gun or ammunition, that would be more evidence you didn’t have a gun.
In the case of Davila, he was observed by the agents, and their testimony was that at no time prior to their claiming to see something shiny had they seen a gun. They looked at his hands and they were empty. There was no gun in the van, no bullets in the van. They looked at his waist and didn’t see a gun or anything that looked like a gun.
That does not prove he didn’t have a gun, but it is actual evidence, eyewitness testimony.
It’s ok, a lot of people confuse evidence with proof, at least around here.
So in your own tortured logic, Ramos and Compean's eyewitness testimony that they thought they saw a gun "is actual evidence, eyewitness testimony" that there was a gun. Thank You!
I stand by what I stated: One could say there was no evidence that there was a gun, but that is different than saying that the lack of evidence (is evidence or) proves the gun did not exist.
I will insist that you misrepresent the facts. You said that Aldrete "limped away." But, what you cite as facts to support your argument relate to a period of time, some minutes later, when Aldrete had first disappeared into the brush, then made his way across the Rio Grande, and was finally spotted a few hundred feet away in a field in Mexico.
Shameless.
Ya mean Bears don't sh*t in the woods? Thanks for solving that mystery!
We didn't host TG dinner this year so we didn't get to feast on leftovers. But then, there weren't any dishes to do, either. LOL.
I have no intention of going back and reading through your thousands of laborious posts. Sorry.
You have a weird idea of relevance, IMO.
No one on the thread said he was paid $3 million. Check again. ;-)
Utter hogwash.
Thank you! Simple logic seems to escape some.
This case is now a Poster Case for Mistrial, but due to timing and the holidays, etc. it will be next spring probably before these poor men will be freed. Bush could free them today, could have freed them before Thanksgiving, but will not. Duncan Hunter and I believe Dana Rohrenbacker tried so hard to reach the White House to get a pardon for these men before Thanksgiving. No doubt Bush won’t even pardon them before Christmas.
The jurors admit that if they had known the illegal alien drug runner they were asked by the US attorney to trust had been running drugs multiple times after the incident with Ramos and Compean, they would have voted to a acquit. And the US attorney withheld this fact and it’s now provable he did. Mistrial. But Bush has his priorities.
Each of these border agents has three young kids who haven’t seen their Papas since last January. I am so disappointed with the administration over this.
Well Bless your heart. You don't have a self esteem problem now do you?
Your tone is so extremely off putting that I can't imagine many can get past it to read your lengthly posts. And in the past several months you have been proved wrong many times (a waste of my time to say it all again). How convenient for you to have developed selective memory loss!
Run along now, back to your sound asleeps forum, and you won't have to worry about "policing" the threads on FR (oh the mods will get a kick out of this one!!)
So bladder bag and all, he could still run drugs across the border starting 4 months later in June? How bad could it have been?
Free to run for Senate. And win. Again. And again. And again.
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