Posted on 11/25/2007 5:22:34 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
Sunday, November 25th, 2007
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn.; Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Carl Levin, D-Mich.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Republican strategists Mary Matalin and Mike Murphy; Democratic strategists Bob Shrum and James Carville.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni.
THIS WEEK (ABC): Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.; Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M.
LATE EDITION (CNN) : Former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark.; Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.
Obama and HRC are banking that you are correct.
The National Right to Life Committee IS committed to saving babies, and has realized that what they'd love to have, a Human life Amendment, is not going to happen. They're looking for viable alternatives, and obviously see one in Fred. You may not like it, and you may disagree, but don't even expect anyone to take you seriously when you start trashing them for their endorsement, and claiming that they don't represent the pro-life movement anymore.
They’re a bunch of traitors who are now even more useless than they’ve been for the last eight to ten years. And that’s pretty darned useless.
EV, you delude yourself. What you tell yourself is your own "good will" is RIGHTEOUS VANITY. You have no place to advocate using my government to legislate your definition of morality, and abortion is one of those things that is a sin of the flesh -- a moral sin, a human weakness. It's not like murder in that regard. An independent individual murders another independent individual; a fetus is not independent; it is of the flesh of the mother. Admit truth, your passionate emotionalism notwithstanding. The truth sets you free, and it also explains why something that you say should be as simple to define and punish as straightforward murder (against which there is no Federal law, by the way), is not and will never be so simple and straightforward because of this stubborn thing God calls THE TRUTH. And one that at this point in our history, most certainly the elimination of Roe v Wade and returning it to the states is the most moral and truthful and RIGHT response.
Legislating sins of the flesh is not what government is for. For that matter, neigher is legislating acts of charity, which is exactly what Liberalism self-righteously and vainly presumes to do.
Combatting sin and providing charity are what churches are for, what "good will" is for, what love is for, what faith is for, what goodness is for. They're what forgiveness is for. Understand that the only time we will know the Rule of God is after judgement day; right now, we must either abide by the rule of law, or the rule of man. You are no better than a Liberal dragging coercive government into the realm of churches, faith, love, forgiveness, and good will.
You drag down good will, God, and American freedom with your vanity.
Then get busy cleansing the Reagan Republican platform of "my definition or morality." Because, all I am advocating is that our politicians adhere to that platform.
I seriously doubt you've given more than a passing thought to what abortion truly is. Here's a challenge for you: Go look at a hundred pictures of babies. Normal, healthy babies. Then, go look at a dozen pictures of babies that are the victims of abortion. Then get back to me.
Just plain false. While a child may not be independent, (what child is, at any stage of development?), the child in the womb is possessed of unique DNA, different from both her father and mother.
Keep on digging that hole for yourself, EV.
I'm speechless in the face of someone with the gall to invoke God and the Truth to defend the violent destruction of the most innocent and helpless among us.
Why should they, if it is useless exercise? Why not just state that the Republican party is a pro-life party and will work to reduce abortions in every way it can, without tying itself to a particular course of action? Then it can be free to work hard to overturn Roe, and start saving babies all over this country.
You obviously have missed the true purpose of government, what the founders of this free republic called "self-evident."
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men...
How can that be? I'm the one defending the unalienable right to life and liberty, and you're the one defending child murder.
Because, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Y'all are proving that truism in spades in this election.
That's incorrect, Finny. The baby is a completely different person, different DNA, everything. It is true that for the first nine months, the baby is dependent on it's mother for sustenance so that it can grow to full term. So an abortion does take the life of a human being.
There are some, who feel as you do, that it isn't murder, but more who do believe it's murder and it's wrong, and want to either see it outlawed, or barring that, restricted severely. It has become a scourge on our nation and changed the attitudes of people toward each other. We are a much more violent nation than we used to be, and I truly believe that's because the ability of a woman to get an abortion for any reason, or for no reason at all, has diminished humanity.
That being said, I know that a Human Life Amendment will not pass, so we need to work to overturn Roe, so that citizens in the states will have the opportunity to restrict the practice as much as they see fit. They are prohibited from doing so today because of the precedence of Roe.
This bumped free a memory for me. In junior high school I read Oliver Wiswell (by Kenneth Roberts) which was the story of the American revolution as told from the point of view of some loyalist colonists. I really enjoyed it and it started me on the path of "trust but verify" things I was told that has led me to my current conservative opinions. However, thinking about it now, it may have been an attempted bit of PC programming, even way back then (Scarsdale, NY was a VERY "progressive" school system). I think it's time I go back and re-read that book with today's eyes.
I may be pleasently surprised, though. Thinking through the things I remember it struck me as sympathetic to the loyalists, but not dismissive of the ideals of the "rebels."
Why do you assume we’re not standing for something, EV? We’re standing FOR actually DOING something rather than making ourselves feel good by spouting righteous indignation about how pure our intentions are, even though we know that those intentions haven’t gotten any babies saved over the last 35 years, and won’t in the future.
You’re mistaken in your belief that no progress has been made for thirty-five years because of my stance. In fact, the prevailing views in the “leadership” of the movement are, and have been, similar to yours, not mine.
That’s why we are now pursuing the “personhood” agenda, as should have been done all along.
I was 100% tongue in cheek about the stuffing vs dressing post. This last month Food Network (which I watch more than anything else - it’s that, news or Sci-Fi for me) has been wall to wall Thanksgiving prep stuff. Emeril and Alton Brown (I think) both did the stuffing vs dressing question. I just couldn’t pass up the chance to post a (hopefully) funny post.
And, of course, Alton Brown went through his whole “stuffing is evil” phase built around the likelihood of ending up with food poisoning (he’s bent a little, but only a little).
My brother’s in laws had a lovely recipe for sausage and spinach “stuffing” that is prepared in a casserole (therefore it’s a dressing ;^> ) that we enjoy whenever we can find the recipe (it’s stored in the proverbial “safe” place).
Oh, did the HLA pass, and no one told me? The Republican platform is fine for stating that Republicans stand for life, and the Democrats obviously don't. But being wedded to the idea of the HLA, and rejecting any attempts to solve the issue without it, is short-sighted. We should attempt everything we can to save babies. We've tried the HLA several times, and couldn't even get traction on it when the Republicans held the White House and both chambers of Congress. Why not try a different tack, and see what happens?
LOL...I don’t focus on a HLA. Folks like you bring it up as an excuse to do nothing.
I mean, hey, if you want to bring one up, and it guarantees the equal rights of all persons, I’ll support it.
But, in the meantime, I use my energy to focus people’s attention on the fact that the Constitution already protects innocent human life...in the Preamble and the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments. And, that these principles are all built on the foundation of the Declaration of Independence, which lays out the very premises of our free republic, and the very reason for the existence of government, most especially ours.
Every official of the United States swears an oath to uphold, defend and protect that Constitution. It’s time they were politically forced to do so.
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